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King / Re: The King Presence
« on: April 26, 2011, 03:16:48 PM »
Elizabeth, I think it's not so much whether you actually are in charge at any time but that people would look first to anyone with king facial features or auras if they are in need of leadership.  No one in their right mind would look to me for that.  Even before coming across MT, I'd joke with my husband that primitive tribes would put me out in front when meeting a potential enemy because my smiling face and crinkly eyes say, "Nothing serious here, you can put away your weapons."   ;)

King / Re: The King Presence
« on: April 26, 2011, 06:34:52 AM »

Thanks Drury, I appreciate you vomiting about yourself too. ;)

 :D   ;)

Just wondering more about the king energy and if it does indeed affect people, and if it does, how does it? What do people feel?

I think it’s human nature, maybe from early lives on this planet, to look to certain people to take control in emergencies and potentially save lives.  Just discussing physical characteristics, I have a book called “Amazing Face Reading,” by Mac Fulfer, J.D., who is a jury consultant and a teacher of face reading.  For example, it seems to be human nature that people tend look to someone with a wide, square face and square jaw to take control of situations, whether as president of a corporation or to organize people in an emergency situation.  These would be the people who have the confidence and ability to take control of large groups.  Having a kingly aura would have the same effect.  Anyone who looks and/or acts as if they could take charge has the potential to be important in our lives - to rule us, control us, to save us in an emergency - so we take note when we see them.  People's personal reactions would likely depend on imprinting and soul age, among other things.  That’s my guess, anyway.  I’m not a hierarchical-type person, so I’d probably be the first one to be eaten by a saber-toothed tiger because I’m thumbing my nose at the grouping instinct.  :D

King / Re: The King Presence
« on: April 26, 2011, 04:12:06 AM »
Ugh and I hate vomiting up personal information everywhere, it seems to happen too much.  :P  

I've been doing that all over the forum, trying to find out my role and other info about myself re MT.  I'm sure by now people can say what I'm like in their sleep, and I'm embarrassed by my threads and shallowness (but it hasn't stopped me, lol).  But I don't feel that you were "vomiting up" too much personal info or being shallow in the least, more telling us what it feels like to have a king role, which I really appreciate.  The deeper and more personal someone is willing to go regarding their role and overleaves, the better I understand what it's like to live in that space.

Astrology / Re: Michael & Astrology
« on: April 25, 2011, 05:44:05 PM »
My sign is Capricorn and I'm very fun loving, have always been into frequent change in almost every aspect of my life, my follow-through isn't always the best unless someone is counting on me, freedom/stimulation/experience are very important to me for learning/growth, and I don't seem to fit Capricorn well at all.  Some people have said to use sidereal, which would make me Sagittarius and my husband Capricorn, which would fit him much better than Aquarius.  But other people resonate well with their signs and sidereal would throw them off.  What would be a reason I fit so poorly?  I was born 3 weeks early, which would have made me an Aquarius, but I’m not sure that matters.  I have Capricorn in sun, moon and mercury, and my rising sign is Virgo, though I don’t know what any of that means.

The Roles (or Soul Types) / Re: Questions About Roles
« on: April 22, 2011, 04:46:59 PM »
Funny - after all my work trying to fix this mysterious problem and it was just brackets.   :D  Thanks, Dave!

The Roles (or Soul Types) / Questions About Roles
« on: April 21, 2011, 11:43:16 PM »
[After multiple tries, I could only get half this message to show.  Even subsequent posts, which I deleted, wouldn't allow the rest of the message, though when I try to modify, the entire message is there.  Maybe Dave can either help me show all the info in this post or delete the thread and tell me what I'm doing wrong?]

Since I’m new to MT, maybe this has been thoroughly discussed already.  I’ve been thinking the last few days about Roles in general and my Role in particular.  Much of what I’ve read about Roles over the last couple weeks, since I learned about MT, seems to describe the extremes of Roles so they’re easier to tell apart, not necessary how they always play out in real life.  For example, according to what I’ve read, Warriors are in-your-face people, Sages need to have center stage with as many people as possibly admiring them, and Priests are driven and need to be leaders over as large a group as possible in order for their mission to be achieved.  If I go by what I’ve read so far about all Roles, my husband and I don’t fit any type.  Since I’m so new, I can’t speak with authority on anything connected to MT and maybe people can set me straight, but I wonder if many of the descriptions are leaving out a much broader spectrum of how Roles manifest, thus confusing people and making it harder to spot their Roles.  It’s true that the Overleaves modify Roles, but it seems Roles should be distinctive enough to be able to stand alone as archetypes without studying the rest of the MT categories.  I googled, trying to find answers, and came up with some quotes from Shepherd Hoodwin.  He said what I’d come to:

“One Michael student attending a workshop I did is a gregarious, sociable scholar; because of her outgoing personality, some assumed she had to be a sage.  Similarly, shy, reserved sages are guessed to be servers or scholars.  There is often an inability to go deeper to see the real energies.”

Under “Learning To See Roles”:  “Behavior results from many factors, including overleaves, body type, astrology, imprinting, and past?lives, but your essence is what you *are*, not what you do.  Behavior often but doesn't always reflect your essence, so you have to look deeper to see essence.”

“Your essence is what you *are*, not what you do.”  Those were the thoughts I’d come to, that behavior can be a strong indication but is not the definitive marker for any particular Role, that it’s the underlying drive toward Expression, Inspiration, etc., in Ordinal, Cardinal and Neutral that delineate the Roles.  There has to be a line when the behavior is so far off that it falls into another Role, but I don’t know where that line is and I don’t know how much emphasis to put on behavior.  There are so many ways of manifesting, say, Inspirational Cardinal, that I don’t understand why most writings say they are leaders and prefer to inspire as large of groups as possible.  What about lower-key Cardinals - does that not happen?  Do all Sages want to be the center of attention and love to tell stories?  Is it possible to be a lower-key fun-loving type who loves to express themselves to a wide range of people, but more one-on-one, bouncing around in a group?

Another question I have, is it possible that I have a Role but I haven’t manifested it this lifetime, such as I’m a Priest but haven’t found my mission, or do Roles always seep through and show up strongly one way or another, since that’s who the person is at heart?  Right now, I don’t seem to fit any of the Roles and I’m not sure if anyone watching me would do much better.  Saying I’m an Artisan, Server, Warrior or King would have everyone who knows me rolling their eyes.  If I’m a Sage, then I’d be, “Oh no, now I have to care about material things and clothes and tell stories and try to be the center of attention for anyone to realize I’m a Sage.”  If I’m a Priest it’s, “Oh great, now I have to be driven instead of fun loving.”  And if I was with a group of Scholars, they’d all be eying this weird goofy person who’s constantly saying, “Wow, that’s amazing/interesting!”  I wish there was an eighth category for a fun-loving, freedom-loving, change-addicted, learning-addicted, dancing, hiking, nature-loving, emotional/logical, spiritually-oriented person who loves to share ideas and go into depth about who I am/you are and give emotional help where needed without wanting to stand out or be a leader.  I think that about covers it.  :D  It may seem like I’m frustrated, but I’m not.  It’s more an interesting learning experience and I’m trying to sort out the info.

If anyone would like to comment on any of the above, I’d be very interested.


Bodytypes / Re: Question about a Joel Friedlander book
« on: April 21, 2011, 07:08:19 PM »
Thanks, John!  I'll go ahead and study it, then.

Parallel Universes & Selves / Re: Movie Recommendation: Source Code
« on: April 21, 2011, 07:00:07 PM »
Great list, Jondalf! This movie is unusual, I think, because it deals with an aspect of parallel universes that I don't think has been dealt with before. But if I said what that was, it would be a spoiler so I'm not going to say it.

Too late!  I read through a multi-paragraph spoiler yesterday and it *does* sound interesting.  I usually won't watch a movie unless I can read the spoiler first.

I hope the concert goes well for you today.   :)

Thanks for info on MP3, Jondalf - I didn't realize.  What about MP4?

Bodytypes / Question about a Joel Friedlander book
« on: April 20, 2011, 10:40:01 PM »
I checked a book out from the library called Body Types, by Joel Friedlander.  It was published in 1986, is based on Gurdjieff's Fourth Way, and covers body types such as Lunar, Venusian, etc.  If I study this book, will it send me in the wrong direction when it comes to Michael Teachings, as in, did MT break away somewhat from these ideas or change or expand on them?  The only thing I know at this point is that the names of the body types are the same in the book and MT.

Karma / Re: Insects
« on: April 20, 2011, 08:03:34 PM »
I googled “non-lethal insect sucking machine” and it came up with some interesting ideas.

We all kill things, from eating garlic and killing bacteria in our bodies to accidentally stepping on insects.  I don’t think even someone who has mastered this world could avoid killing, unless their body is made of light rather than flesh.

I have a spider phobia, so my husband either takes them outside or squishes them for me, and I ask to take on the karma.  One time my husband and I were sitting Zen with many others, each side of the room lined up against the wall and facing inward.  A medium-large spider on the wood floor started way across the room and made a straight line right toward me.  I had plenty of time to sigh and realize it was likely my karma, and decided to finish my meditation standing up as soon as the spider reached my cushion.  When it was about a foot away, my husband, knowing my spider phobia, reached over and squashed the spider with his hand.  Discussing it afterward, the entire room had to deal with different emotions for the rest of the meditation, from my husband breaking a social/zendo rule for me to others’ shock over the breaking of the rule.  We all thought it gave us good practice in letting go.  I’m not sure what the spider thought about it.  ;)

Michael Books / Re: Basic Michael Books
« on: April 20, 2011, 07:28:22 PM »
Hearing about a book with the word "archetype" in the title is the same as showing chocolate lovers a hot fudge sundae.   :D  It's now on my list of books to buy.

I just finished reading Compass of the Soul: Archetypal Guides to a Fuller Life, by John L. Giannini.  It's based on Myers-Briggs, which he divides into NT, NF, ST, SF and makes a case at length - 450 pages! - for the two middle letters being archetypcal in nature.

I enjoy comparing the various personality methods with each other, seeing where there's a correlation or where no comparison is possible.  The MT is the only method so far that has me looking seriously at my thoughts/behavior/spiritual state.

Previous Cycles / Re: Grand Cycles
« on: April 20, 2011, 05:32:40 PM »
You've somewhat described what happens on the Causal plane, where Michael resides. 1050 essences that all merge and become one, yet there is individuality despite the larger collective that works as a single entity.


Thanks, Dave, that's probably what I was reading about.  I've been wondering if the ability to merge and have individual identity, sharing but also retaining our individual strengths, experiences and growth, would remain even in the undifferentiated Tao, or would they be lost to “me” and be part of the general experience of the Tao only?  Do “we,” or the Tao, at some point make the choice to let go of what would end up being our illusion of individuality, as in are we at heart truly no different than the Tao, in which case my concerns would be entirely the Tao talking to itself, or were we at one point or from the beginning at least partly differentiated and will always retain the ability to enter that state?  Maybe Zen would say this is the little illusory “I” discussing the issue with the big “I” (the Tao) and therefore has no meaning.

I know I’m repeating my questions in different words, but I find the idea so interesting.  This is way into the future and I can at times intellectualize anything, but I’ve found that the future always gets here sooner or later.  A real bummer when I’m on vacation.  ;)

Thanks for going into detail, Jondalf - very interesting.

Previous Cycles / Re: Grand Cycles
« on: April 20, 2011, 01:38:15 AM »
"We pray that some new paradigm:  co-operative and NOT competitive, will prevail..."  I've wondered why this paradigm necessitates killing as an inherent part of its structure, and how we can get away from "survival of the fittest" creating the best bodies for particular niches.  Could cooperation lead to vigorous growth as well?  I'd sure like to try!

I've struggled with the issue of losing "myself" through spiritual growth.  After reading quite a bit of Zen, plus other spiritual books, the intellectual part of me understands that what I think is "me" isn't really, yet the emotional part clings to my thoughts and everyday personality and drags its feet over spiritual growth because of the fear of annihilation of this "me."  I've asked Zen masters and other spiritually-oriented people for their take on it, and no one seems to know for sure the final result of merging back with the Tao.  I also tend to think the Tao is limitless and capable of anything, and no one need ever be truly "lost" in a large, amorphous blob.  I have read some books, maybe Robert Monroe or Michael Roads - can't remember for sure - where the author had the experience of merging with other beings, then pulling free and re-assuming the individual beingness.

I have the feeling the Tao is laughing at me since if I am the Tao, then what am I talking about?   :D

The Roles (or Soul Types) / Re: How do I figure out my Role?
« on: April 19, 2011, 11:58:09 PM »
Thanks, Dave and Chiara (from another thread)!  I now have Messages From Michael and The Michael Handbook on the way, as a start.  Once I finish those, I'll likely get Shepherd Hoodwin's The Journey of Your Soul.

Karma / Re: Insects
« on: April 19, 2011, 08:27:37 PM »
Kinship With All Life, by J. Allen Boone, is an interesting book to read.  I don't know for sure if he really could communicate with flies, but since reading the book I look at flies as miniture packets of very intricate life.  I will kill insects if necessary, but I prefer to put most of them outside.  If there is karma involved with killing insects, I'd think it would be either more or less depending on the attitude involved with the killing.

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