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General Discussion / Re: The "I" of it all

« on: July 31, 2011, 07:25:36 PM »

Ah so  the big guns are out to discipline the apostate. Why do you feel so threatened? You have decided that  there is an orthodox way of understanding Michael , and those who see it ,or get inspired by it differently are wrong. That is called  dogma. And anyone who differs is an apostate . History repeats itself. A truth comes along. Some ,mainly younger souls busily  interpret it set up an organisation, church , website whatever, and get very angry with those who ask why , or dont fit with their established dogma.  Its all happened before. Your anger and irritation betrays you. Real old souls wouldnt react this way.   

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General Discussion / Re: The "I" of it all

« on: July 30, 2011, 07:59:11 AM »

Perhaps again a question of semantics. But any thinking person will ask the question 'why' as well as trying to understand the what and the how.  The  'essence ' (forgive the word ) of Michael 's teaching is he presents   a system  which systematically and clearly defines what constitutes the stages of the soul ages, and says  that over many lifetimes we progress  on our personal  path from stage to stage and from age to age using different  roles, overleaves etc.
Why is it so annoying to you when I give my understanding of  'why' we are on this path , especially as Michael does hint at it when he  talks of agape being an ultimate. My understanding of agape is unconditional and  impersonal love for all energy, which implies losing the I , the theme of this topic which I tried to address.
 Nowhere have I said that I will ever get their in this lifetime or in the forseeable countless lifetimes. I am merely am making a  'philosophical ' point and keeping an ultimate goal in view. Gradual unfolding   enlightenment is as good a word as any to me for understanding what happens to the soul as it   progresses over several lifetimes through the stasges and  ages.( I dont confuse it with 'ecstacy'  which is perhaps what you thought I meant,and is a momentary flash of intuitive understanding often drug induced ).

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General Discussion / Re: The "I" of it all

« on: July 29, 2011, 07:42:39 AM »

Forgive me for 'dragging in' my interpretation. I thought that is what Forums are for.So let me quote  From the Messages of Michael (Yarboro Berkley paperback)
 - P57- 'Loving, the creative force  itself requires seperation from any personification.' My interpretation= losing the I )
' P64 -'We are all part of the creative force we call the TAo...  Imagine filling ten test tubes  then sealing them untill they are both airtight and watertight. They are part of the whole....The same way the body is trapped in the body..The Soul in its true spiritual state has no limitations or handicaps. )My interpretation =the soul in its true spiritual state is beyond the limitations of the  isolated self concious I )
P61. 'The overriding trait of this culture is loneliness. You are the loneliest people we know of...it is unnecessary and something that the personality effects as a matter to keep the battle going '/  . My interpretation- Fear causes  loneliness and  manifests in an emphasis on the 'I' which is nothing less than the false personality
P87 -'You will lose your individual perceptions long before you become a mid causal teacher' . My interpretation - We are evolving in th ephysical to a state where we will be beyond individual perceptions ,ie the 'I' am ,think,feel.know'
 As for the religions I try not to confuse the teachings of the infinite souls  with the manifestations of of them in the religions. Michael says that agape is the ultimate goal of soul evolution in the physical. As did Jesus and Budda

I'd be interested to here what your interpretation of the above quotes might  be and whether you have others which could shed more light on this question. 

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General Discussion / Re: What is for you the special benefit of the Michael Teaching?

« on: July 28, 2011, 07:07:41 PM »

That the  soul is on a journey from individual isolated fear ridden to a universal  all embracing conciousness . Michael defines more explicitly than any other teaching I know  the stages and mechanisms by which this progress happens. 

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General Discussion / Re: The "I" of it all

« on: July 28, 2011, 06:42:41 PM »

Sorry John. The topic is the 'I' of it all. All I'm saying is that I think that  the more we emphasize the I , the less easily we will be able to eventually  lose it. A perfectly legitimate view grounded in the roots of Tao , buddism and ancient Hinduism. Thats my take.  Please without attacking me (this post is not for you) tell us  What's your take on the  'I' as related to the Michael teachings? 

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General Discussion / Re: Self-Karma

« on: July 28, 2011, 06:30:35 PM »

I dont understand Karma to ever be  negative.To me. its the utterly necessary mechanism which drives us forward in our evolution which eventually will take us outside the 'test tube' as Michael says of the individual self to merge into the univeral ocean. So to me your term  'self loathing 'etc is not karma in any sense that I understand.  Its seems to be  actually  what you do when you avoid avoiding embracing karma. Self karma is not a useful term in my opinion.

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General Discussion / Re: Self-Karma

« on: July 27, 2011, 05:30:54 PM »

What is the difference between Self Karma and plain Karma?

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General Discussion / Re: The "I" of it all

« on: July 27, 2011, 10:16:55 AM »

I do agree with you . You make  very pertinent points. Soul evolution is about being beyond the I. New to the Michael channel (though not the messages) I (pardon) am surprised at the need that  so many supposedly advanced souls have to attach labels to their infinity  and advertise it . Eg 'I am a 6th level mature soul, I have difficulty with..etc'.).   Is it loneliness ?, confusion about identity?, hoping that this label will provide the answer since my last one   'a Libra'   or a  Sethite , or  Woman or Caregiver or Father or Writer or  whatever didnt 'give' me what I need ? . Or is it a desire for contact  with others by letting it all hang out? (in which case for me it would have the opposite effect.) How many I's do we and society attach to ourselves and still we know it does not tell a millionth about what we really are (potential infinite souls). So for me (here I go again) , its more important to understand from within, ie   develop intuition as to how to act, be , in a given situation . And since this depends on the moment there is no label which suffices.
$60 later, to know  one is a third  level whatever  with such and such overleaves and chief features and other terms which I never read in the original Michael books makes no difference,might only  be making someone else richer, and can be used as an excuse for not empathising , acting for the good and  extending ones awareness.     

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Soul Age / Re: Young Soul Contributions

« on: July 26, 2011, 02:49:32 PM »

Jk If you know how to chase after the material ie being  materially productive , but cant be motivated , then you have 'been there done it' as a young soul and now have other non material older soul concerns. I dont mean to say that older souls dont engage the material. They have to  to survive physically. I just mean tha they do it out of necessity, its not their drive, their focus is elsewhere. My whole point is that the major breakthroughs which have advanced human civilisation have been made by older souls who can think out of the box. The role of young souls has been to organise and apply and popularise these philosophies andprinciples and  inventions , ie 'materialise' them  (and use baby souls as labourers). So of course there is a symbiotic relationship. The problem when the young souls rule . Then there are no values
chiara:  If someone  in primitive society were to find a way of making  a profit  from defacing genitals , it would be a young soul.
Values, human rights , morality (not dogma) are all oldersoul concerns because they have no DIRECT material foundation.They cant be touched or felt.  I have yet to meet a young soul who really respects or even understands these concepts,although many are smart enough to pay lip service if it serves them to. I think that  by definition a young soul cannot really understand  channeling, the Michael entity , in fact any other non physical  plane of reality  be it astral , mental , even etheric , because it cant be proved materially ,ire scientifically.in the third dimension.     

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Soul Age / Re: Young Soul Contributions

« on: July 26, 2011, 08:57:57 AM »

 You're right the Young soul world  it far more preferable to a baby soul world. But by reducing everything to the profit motive , it often trivialises what is valuable, and a lot of independent producers are margianalised (such as mom and pop baby soul economy who cant compete with the  young soul supermarket chains.) But I reiterate , it has been a necessary stage in the planet's evolution. Capitalism is quintessentially  young soul since its essence is controlling production  (Marx) , ie the material world.
I think China and India and Brazil are now emerging into the Young soul conciousness from a predominantly baby soul one. So are Syria, Yemen, Lybia , Egypt,hence the protests. I also think that the USA is evolving into a mature country, hence its crisis of capatilism,something Britain went through decades ago for the same reason. We are  seeing  the willingness of an increasing minority to question those values (hence the interest interalia in 'spiritual side of life, something young souls with their focus on the material, three dimensional world have to  ignore.  Israel where I live is also a young soul country, being 'undermined,' positively in my opinion more and more by mature souls.
But the othert aspect of young soul domination is less palatable to me: controll of the material means a need for  power . Unlike the old baby soul system of power ;kings and queens etc, it is now more hidden,  multinationa corporations ,and  banks which really run our lives and over whichh we have no say > Why the recent recession in your country? 
 

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Soul Age / Re: Young Soul Contributions

« on: July 25, 2011, 02:12:25 PM »

 Many many Contributions,not necessary positive:The modern material world we live in is a young soul creation Young souls took the great teachings and turned them into religions with their hierarchies, fears and lists of donts.  Then Young souls broke free of the fear ridden baby soul world of the middle ages and created the modern capitalist system as we know it. They created the cult of individualism and used it to create modern  banking and finance and financial speculation Young souls because their gift is insensitivity and manipulation of the world around them  are able to exploit almost any invention(usually made by older souls) and make money from it.  They  build skyscrapers,they  manipulate  music and movies and fashion and art and writing and food production and create ' industries' for mass (usually other young and baby soul) consumption, but older soul ages usually have no option but to enter into their world  too, In fact they create industries out of anything.because they believe in the scientific method. So all the cars and planes  and space travel and computers and cellphones etc reach the masses because of young souls. Young souls also are involved in wars, holaucasts and other acts of cruelty if there is money to be made. They provide employment for billionsbut rarely pay them well enough. Try to imagine a non Young soul world . Key word : Exploit. And its necessary for therm to do it this way.

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Soul Age / Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?

« on: July 25, 2011, 01:39:14 PM »

I dont know. how can I find out? I  intuitively understand somewhere in me what is said about all soul ages. That has nothing to do with what I'd like to be (like all of us,an old soul, or perhaps a wealthy young soul)

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Soul Age / Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?

« on: July 25, 2011, 01:28:14 PM »

I dont know . I have an intuitive  sympathetic understanding of Infant and Baby soul energy ,an aversion to young soul energy.Am often irritated by the seriousness and neurotic self centredness of mature soul energy, and like the irreverence of old soul energy. What does that make me? I've  read  on this site about  charts. What are they,and how can I get a reading on myself done? Michael doesnt mentions charts. The only ones I know about are astrological ones.

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General Discussion / Re: Extraterrestrial Souls

« on: July 25, 2011, 05:40:58 AM »

 DR Michael Newton's books about life between lives flesh out a lot of what Michael hints at. For his  regression sessions with those who have had extraterrestrial lives . See Journey Of souls index under Space Time, and Destiny of Souls Explorer souls, Extraterrestrials and much more. This does superficially  contradict what Michael says in Messages of Michael that we on this planet are not yet ready in terms of soul advancement to visit other worlds,but I think Michael's hidden message was to restrain us from  speculating  on these things before you deal with all the unfinished karma, strings etc from your lives  on Earth.

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General Discussion / Re: What Attracted You To The Michael Teachings?

« on: July 25, 2011, 05:20:25 AM »

 The explanation of Soul Ages. Also the unsentimentality of Michael's 'teaching' esp in Messages of Michael (He doesnt like to be seen as a Guru). Like  its not about faith and belief, but being aware of what  is our task to progress. That this will happen whether we  'believe' it or not Confirmation of Karma and Reincarnation. Refutation of transmigration of souls,  His comments on marriage, fear being the greatest hindrance to progress and a particular disease of the planet Also his analysis of the corruption of the bible, comments about Buddism and Tao being the least corrupted etc. All this and much more resonated with  I already knew intuitively  but had never seen written.  It was as a prievious  has said,like coming home.