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Soul Age => Soul Age => Topic started by: Dave on April 18, 2011, 09:35:28 AM

Title: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Dave on April 18, 2011, 09:35:28 AM
In the interest of discovering the percentage of soul ages that visit this forum, I created the following poll.

Enjoy!

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Drury on April 18, 2011, 05:14:01 PM
I didn't vote since I'm not sure, but judging by my beliefs, values and interests, I bounce between Mature and Old, and in fact a lifelong problem is off and on letting relationships get in the way of many of my underlying spiritual values.  To make a guess, I'd say Mature.  Maybe my chart will pin it down more closely.  I make florays all the way down to Infant, though. ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Chiara DB on April 18, 2011, 05:58:57 PM
I'm waiting for all the Infant souls to come crawling out of the woodwork :D
Title: Re: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Dave on April 18, 2011, 08:02:31 PM
Some students turn soul age into such a hierarchical measurement that I got frustrated once and changed my profile at the MT site to Infant soul. I don't think I've changed it back. And I'm rather amused just imagining the raised eyebrows it creates. ;-)

Tomorrow I shall proclaim that I'm the Tao itself, and my first act of Universal peace will be to bestow upon everyone a free, unlimited supply of Ben & Jerrys. This is in keeping with my belief as a child that heaven was just an endlessly stocked ice cream parlor.

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: John Roth on April 18, 2011, 11:30:02 PM
I didn't vote since I'm not sure, but judging by my beliefs, values and interests, I bounce between Mature and Old, and in fact a lifelong problem is off and on letting relationships get in the way of many of my underlying spiritual values.  To make a guess, I'd say Mature.  Maybe my chart will pin it down more closely.  I make florays all the way down to Infant, though. ;)

Nobody is so advanced that they don't have to deal with the occasional survival issue (Infant), or conform to the current social expectations (Baby) to avoid a lynch mob complete with pitchforks, tar, flaming torches and other unpleasantness. Sooner or later most of us are going to have to deal with having a goal and meeting it (Young) and we're always going to deal with relationships (Mature).

Knowing your effective soul age helps clarify things; it's not an achievement badge.

John Roth
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Drury on April 19, 2011, 12:22:37 AM
"I make florays all the way down to Infant, though."

I did my post and went running out the door, and I didn't take time to phrase it well.  By "down" I didn't mean less in any way, only in terms of number of times reincarnated.  Who can say that a college student is better or has more inherent intelligence than a child in kindergarten?  More maturity, but in my case, not always, lol.  I have been very lucky in that I've been able to sidestep social expectations to a great extent, including the pitchforks and flaming torches.   :)
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Drury on April 19, 2011, 01:06:07 AM
I just wanted to add...  It turns out that I have a fascination with categorizing people.  It's inherently interesting, plus it helps me understand people and improve my relationship with them.  As long as any category isn't used as an ego trip, I'm all for putting labels on who people are, for that understanding, as long as the labels are flexible enough that they can change as the person changes or as a better category is found.  I've found labeling personality- or soul-wise to be a good, but not perfect, indication as to who will have my interests and values.  I would enjoy having Infant and Baby souls posting here since I'd like their take on spiritual and psychological matters.

Dave, French vanilla ice cream would go a long way toward bumping me to Old Soul, and even to full enlightenment if the supply is endless.   :D
Title: Re: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Chiara DB on April 19, 2011, 02:28:24 AM
Some students turn soul age into such a hierarchical measurement that I got frustrated once and changed my profile at the MT site to Infant soul. I don't think I've changed it back. And I'm rather amused just imagining the raised eyebrows it creates. ;-)

Haha, love it Dave! Love anything that busts up that kind of thinking :)
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Betty on April 19, 2011, 05:14:01 PM
I think you'll find that the poll will be almost all mature and old.  Three explanations:  1) channelers are telling people what they want to hear; 2) only mature and old souls are interested; 3) other soul ages are interested but do not post.

It's probably #2. 

It is interesting to see such a large proportion of old souls, considering they are only 10-12% of the population.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Chiara DB on April 19, 2011, 05:26:14 PM
I think most young souls would think this was just kooky time-wasting airy-fairy cacapoopoo, though if they figured out a way to utilize it to get something else they wanted, they would play along. Baby souls would think it's satanic, and Infant souls are in another world altogether and have their own stories about the Tao.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: jeffm on April 19, 2011, 07:23:39 PM
I seem to fit the descriptions of Old Soul the most, maybe late Old.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Dave on April 20, 2011, 07:49:24 AM
I think most young souls would think this was just kooky time-wasting airy-fairy cacapoopoo...

Haha...That phrase was right on the tip of my tongue, but then I was a little concerned by the sudden taste on the tip of my tongue, and decided to keep my mouth shut. ;-) 

But I agree.

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Dave on April 20, 2011, 07:51:48 AM
 

It is interesting to see such a large proportion of old souls, considering they are only 10-12% of the population.

This is such a small sampling that it's hardly proportionate of anything. Even on the Michael list with 1000+ subscribers, that's a small sampling relatively speaking. Though, it would be curious to see the soul age breakdown. Maybe I'll add a poll to the MT site.

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: stefan on April 20, 2011, 07:23:51 PM
Perhaps an interesting note: Varda Hasselmann is a german channeling medium and conducts seminars since about 25 years. There, also the soul ages of her seminar participants will be channeled. She says her participants are between Mature2 and Old4. About in every second seminar she has an Old5-soul. Old6 she has seen only once, Old7 never in all this years.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Lori on April 20, 2011, 07:45:10 PM
I haven't filled out this poll yet b/c I am new to the Michael Teachings and I haven't gotten around to doing this.  I figure at some point I will but I am in no hurry.

I would have to pose the question, would Infant and Baby Souls even be attracted to this forum?  I can't imagine them being at the stage that they would be looking for something like this. 

Just my thoughts and I am curious to see what others think about this.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Dave on April 20, 2011, 08:49:17 PM

I would have to pose the question, would Infant and Baby Souls even be attracted to this forum?  I can't imagine them being at the stage that they would be looking for something like this. 

Edgar Cayce might, and he was channeled in Yarbro as a baby soul. But it's safe to conclude that infant/baby souls wouldn't be attracted to this forum. On the other hand, there have been a few young souls on the MT discussion list, and despite the stereotypes, they were better behaved and more consciously aware then some old souls I know. It all depends on the individual.

A baby soul with 12 previous cycles under his/her belt will seem more sophisticated and knowing than the average baby soul -- not that there is anything wrong with any soul age. Sometimes, I think, too much is made of soul age in general. Getting the soul age of a person really just helps us understand the perspective and life lessons that person is encountering.

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Lori on April 21, 2011, 06:15:30 AM
Edgar Cayce is a direct descendant of mine.  My grandmother and him were cousins.  So maybe I'm a baby soul!  Ha!  Although I doubt it.  But that is quite amusing to me!
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Dave on April 21, 2011, 06:20:46 AM
Edgar Cayce is a direct descendant of mine.  My grandmother and him were cousins.  So maybe I'm a baby soul!  Ha!  Although I doubt it.  But that is quite amusing to me!

Wow. Do you have any family stories to tell about him?

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Lori on April 21, 2011, 06:25:36 AM
My great-grandmother.  Should have re-read my post!
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Lori on April 21, 2011, 06:38:29 AM
About 2 years ago, before my great aunt Christine passed away, I called her to find out if she had any stories.  Aunt Christine was an opera singer (Chiara, thinking of you!), performed in the original Carousel opera and gave Florence Henderson her first voice lessons (this and Edgar is my family's only claim to fame).  So aunt Christine was somewhat refined and brought up refined.  She said that when she was a young girl, she and her mom went to Hopkinsville (not far from where we were all raised) and went to a drugstore.  She said that she had always heard of him and he was considered an "odd-bird" of the family.  She met him at, I believe, a drugstore and she said that he had on tattered jeans and shoes that were coming apart.  She said there was nothing that stood out other than how "unkept" he was.

I found out we were related about 23 years ago and due to raising kids and moving around so much, I never took the time to ask those questions.  Wish I had now.  But that was what started me in all of this and I have been the only one in my immediate family, extended family, etc. to pursue all of this.  Still don't know why I'm the only one but it is what it is.

I also wanted to add to your posting earlier about soul ages.  I agree with what you and John said about it clarifying things.  The thing with me is that right now, I just don't care.  I'm pretty sure I know my Life Task and it is well on its way.  I've known for quite some time.  I could probably place myself in a Role, Goal, etc. but there are a few where it might go either way.  But in the end, for me, I am where I am and I enjoy being able to jump in and relate to most everyone wherever they are.  So I don't know how important it is to me to know.  But I am really enjoying this forum!  Getting ready to start a new topic b/c of a dream I had.  Would love to know what Michael says about dreams...
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: John Roth on April 21, 2011, 02:25:24 PM
Perhaps an interesting note: Varda Hasselmann is a german channeling medium and conducts seminars since about 25 years. There, also the soul ages of her seminar participants will be channeled. She says her participants are between Mature2 and Old4. About in every second seminar she has an Old5-soul. Old6 she has seen only once, Old7 never in all this years.

That's a pretty general experience. People usually don't get interested in the spiritual until mid-cycle Mature when they've finally jettisoned the bulk of Young soul materialistic beliefs. There's also a tendency for late-level old to not show up in the teaching for various reasons. When Sarah Chambers (the "Jessica Lansing" of the Messages books) reentered the teaching a few years before she died, she said there was a lot of soul age inflation going on.

For most people, I think the personality overleaves are much more useful than soul age, except in the broad brush strokes. I maintain an attitude of mild skepticism to most channeling that says someone is a late level old soul. Not that I think I can do better or have a better idea, it's just that I suspect there may be some maya lurking around.

HTH

John Roth
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Sabine on April 22, 2011, 06:08:32 AM
someone posted as infant soul!
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: ped on April 22, 2011, 07:13:05 AM
wasn't me
Title: Re: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: jk on April 22, 2011, 09:47:02 AM

Nobody is so advanced that they don't have to deal with the occasional survival issue (Infant), or conform to the current social expectations (Baby) to avoid a lynch mob complete with pitchforks, tar, flaming torches and other unpleasantness. Sooner or later most of us are going to have to deal with having a goal and meeting it (Young) and we're always going to deal with relationships (Mature).

Knowing your effective soul age helps clarify things; it's not an achievement badge.

John Roth

I like this. I wish we had a like button.

I pretty much automatically try to asses soul age of people I am related to/ work with / am friends with. I think soul age can be very often masked by imprinting. We live in a type of society where it's easy to do your own thing. A Mature soul in India however may often come accross as a Baby due to the massive societal pressures, if you dont look too deep.

I dont think I have personally met an Infant soul in any meaningful way. I think I have met a few Baby souls. Lots of youngs and perhaps even more matures and a few olds. In other words, I can validate what has been channeled about the breakdown of soul ages in population.

There is one friend who puzzles me as to whether she's Baby or Mature. The comment about someone from India was made about her. The submission to societal pressure may have nothing to do with soul age and be simply an Asian thing. She is also very fearful however and very naive. She usually does not get dirty jokes or chooses not to react to them. Often uses a phrase "that's bad". All of that seems rather Baby like to me.

I have not asked for her overleaves (yet). I can discuss MT with her, but she would not show a very active interest. Once I discussed Osho with her and she cannot stand him. She's an Hinduist and pretty happy sticking to that.

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Edgar Cayce is a direct descendant of mine.
Lori, don't you mean ancestor?  ;)
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: kenneth Margo on July 25, 2011, 01:28:14 PM
I dont know . I have an intuitive  sympathetic understanding of Infant and Baby soul energy ,an aversion to young soul energy.Am often irritated by the seriousness and neurotic self centredness of mature soul energy, and like the irreverence of old soul energy. What does that make me? I've  read  on this site about  charts. What are they,and how can I get a reading on myself done? Michael doesnt mentions charts. The only ones I know about are astrological ones.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: kenneth Margo on July 25, 2011, 01:39:14 PM
I dont know. how can I find out? I  intuitively understand somewhere in me what is said about all soul ages. That has nothing to do with what I'd like to be (like all of us,an old soul, or perhaps a wealthy young soul)
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: jk on July 26, 2011, 11:30:47 AM
I dont know. how can I find out?
kenneth Margo, you find a channel and get a reading done. It is quite simple and costs somewhere around $55 - $60. That is for the whole chart, not just soul age, obviously. Channel names and their contact details are easy to look up on Michael Teaching sites or which there are several.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: jo on September 01, 2011, 09:21:49 PM
@Stefan I read that too. But here ary many old 6 and old 7 people, presenting themselves in public. Although in a Book of Varda Hasselmann was written, that people with this soul age aren't interested in such teachings and in showing themselves in public. *shrug*

Greeting, jo
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: John Roth on September 03, 2011, 11:58:44 PM
@Stefan I read that too. But here ary many old 6 and old 7 people, presenting themselves in public. Although ina Book of Varda Hasselmann was written, that people with this soul age aren't interested in such teachings and in showing themselves in public. *shrug*

Greeting, jo

I think there's some soul age inflation going on. 7th Old is the "final exam," so there shouldn't be a whole lot of learning left to do. Teaching, yes. 6th old? I can think of some reasons why someone at 6th old would hang around the MT, and also some reasons why they wouldn't.

John Roth (who was channeled as 1st old and 6th old, both by JP (*).)

Joya Pope said 1st old, JP vanHulle said 6th old.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: Betty on September 04, 2011, 06:05:25 PM
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John Roth (who was channeled as 1st old and 6th old, both by JP (*).)

That's interesting, John.  Which one do you believe is true?

My age was validated by two channelers as 1st old, which is what I believe it to be, also.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: John Roth on September 05, 2011, 11:29:59 PM
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John Roth (who was channeled as 1st old and 6th old, both by JP (*).)

That's interesting, John.  Which one do you believe is true?

My age was validated by two channelers as 1st old, which is what I believe it to be, also.

There are a number of reasons why I regard Joya Pope's overleaves to be somewhat unreliable. This was around 20 years ago, and she may have improved. 6th old is probably correct, or at least as close as it's going to get.

John Roth
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: oceanemotion on September 12, 2011, 06:38:29 AM
Hi y'all, I voted for old...I have never had any channelling done on my soul age or role or whatever, but everytime I think about it my mind says 2nd Old..so I guess I'll just stick with that...I have been thinking whether I am mature but like John wrote, we all have to deal with relationships and I'm 22 so I might not start manifesting old till later...Right now I'm very excited about being married and having my own little nuclear family LOL, though I can see other possibilities and don't think it's the "right" way to live ones life, just makes me feel good...I guess that's the baby soul in me right?

Ocean
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: jo on September 12, 2011, 08:40:42 PM
Maybe you left out an experience/lesson of the mature soul cylce? :)
Maybe there are (good) different reasons for marriying and having kids, as an old soul. But I don't know them (for sure).

I think I'm manifesting old already now (i am 20). Not always, of course.
Don't really understand the meaning of "manifesting" soul age by now. Does manifested soul age mean, the average manifested soul age?

Greeting, jo
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: oceanemotion on September 13, 2011, 04:58:46 AM
Hey Jo, yeah I'd be really interested to find out if there are old souls living a "normal" life...Atleast old souls who are manifesting their true soul age.

From Michaelteachings.com website: ". Our manifested soul age is the average level of our personality’s perspective at a given time; it can change relatively rapidly if it is lower than our true soul age. Our true soul age is our level of potential function, the perspective of our inner self. It is more significant and impactive than our manifested age, which is more on the surface." http://www.michaelteachings.com/manifested_soul_age.html, if you want to know more :)


Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: jo on September 15, 2011, 11:41:39 PM
ok, thanks. But doesn't it has to be called "within a given time". Because there is no average "at a given time" ::).
maybe within the given time of one day or week/month/year...
I see my scholar ET ^^

Greeting, jo
Title: Re: POLL: What is Your Soul Age?
Post by: John Roth on September 16, 2011, 05:05:58 PM
ok, thanks. But doesn't it has to be called "within a given time". Because there is no average "at a given time" ::).
maybe within the given time of one day or week/month/year...
I see my scholar ET ^^

Greeting, jo

Prepositions that refer to time are interesting. It's at a given time, on a given day, in a given month. It seems to regard time as a place that has a size relative to your size: you can be near a small amount of time (at), on an amount of time that's the same size you are, or inside a block of time that's much larger than you are.

You can see the progression from something you can stand close to (at), something you can stand on (on) and something you can be within (in). This is part of the "everything is a metaphor for everything else" school of linguistics.

Michael seems to be discussing a single point in them, you seem to want to regard is as a more extended period.

John Roth