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Title: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 03, 2011, 08:55:37 AM
I don't know about everyone here, but for me, its awkward when trying to describe where it comes from. It's almost instantaneous that questions start to arise, and suspicion of a cult following creeps in. You then have to go on and describe in detail beliefs of reincarnation, life after death, the tao, other worlds ect... A lot of my friends suspect I'm delusional. I keep telling them that its not a spiritual teachings to enlightenment, but a mere template to understand the energetic vibrational flows and structure of the cosmic universe we reside in. Although most people I have trouble telling it too, are early mature. I don't even attempt with anything below that.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Betty on November 03, 2011, 12:01:39 PM
I know what you mean.  I got the same reaction from the few people to whom I tried to explain the MT.  One of the first questions asked, after my explanation attempt, is "do you have to pay for channeling".  Of course, the answer is yes, and I can immediately see in their faces that I've confirmed their thoughts about it being a scam.  After that, they don't believe a single word I say, and are merely humoring me if I continue talking about it.  So I usually don't try to explain it anymore.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: John Roth on November 03, 2011, 10:28:10 PM
I don't know about everyone here, but for me, its awkward when trying to describe where it comes from. It's almost instantaneous that questions start to arise, and suspicion of a cult following creeps in. You then have to go on and describe in detail beliefs of reincarnation, life after death, the tao, other worlds ect... A lot of my friends suspect I'm delusional. I keep telling them that its not a spiritual teachings to enlightenment, but a mere template to understand the energetic vibrational flows and structure of the cosmic universe we reside in. Although most people I have trouble telling it too, are early mature. I don't even attempt with anything below that.

I usually don't bother.

However, if the question does come up, I usually lead with the three most important things in the teaching: validate, validate and validate. It's important to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out.

John Roth
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: jk on November 05, 2011, 02:24:00 AM
I don't generally tell people about it, unless I am specifically asked or it needs to be mentioned for explanation of something (like where the heck am I going next April, for a week, all alone, for the first time across the ocean:)
 
I did tell a close friend some time ago, when I was excited about something (like getting my chart, or booking a flight to the gathering). She did not quite get it at first  and moreover, initially she got even worried about me (as I found out later), so after that I tried to avoid telling her about it. It all depends on how much interest is shown. Actually at one point she said she would like to know what her overleaves are and those of her family. We even went over overleaves descriptions, both to attempt to validate mine, in the eyes of someone who knows me well, as well as having a go at figuring out hers.

I also told one of my relatives who is into this kind of stuff. She was mildly interested but I would not say it was for her.

I also told my teen children (one is Mature and one is Old soul). The Old one was definitely interested and I will eventually introduce her to it more. The Mature one said "I hope you are not paying for this"

But other than these very close people, and situations where someone literally wants to know, I don't tell people. I do not hide it either, it's pretty visible on my Facebook and I have no issue using my full name and photo on MT sites.

Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: MeliaNamaste on November 05, 2011, 09:37:33 PM
For years, I have introduced people to the MT through the concept of soul ages. This is particularly effective for people in recovery from addictions as it helps them understand how and why they have been made wrong, which is often where the need to self-medicate through alcohol or drugs comes from. If they then ask where to find out more about it that material, I give them references to books on the subject - Joya Pope's The World According to Michael being the most easily accessible to most, I have found. Some of my LGBT friends also have found the soul ages information helpful.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: mtscholar on November 05, 2011, 10:51:46 PM
Could you explain a little more how your LGBT friends have found soul ages helpful? As a gay man, I found the teachings helpful because of the generally "you'll experience all of the variations of sexuality" attitude in them.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 06, 2011, 04:47:10 PM
I'm an 3rd old soul priest-scholor casted-, so I love teaching people everything I know. I have this motto I picked up from somewhere "Learn something about everything, and everything about something" My 'something' is MT. The thing is, all my friends I grown up with are lacking in the abstact thought department. I told one friend of mine who doesn't believe in a soul nor reincarnation about it. Such a headache, but I enjoy a challenge. >:)

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Some of my LGBT friends also have found the soul ages information helpful.

I always thought that if you have been incarnating in a female or male body for an extending amount of time, then decide to pursue lessons of the other sex, you'll still feel more connected to the previous sex you've been for so long.  It's not like once you go from sex to sex you get a complete 180 flip on perception each time.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: jk on November 06, 2011, 10:49:44 PM
I suppose the question is why does one want to tell others. Is it to simply share what you are interested in and what your "path" is? is it to share the teaching itself? And if so, then how? And is it right for the person you are trying to share it with? And if so, is it for them as is, or does it need some sort of - translation?

In the transcripts of the various Michael groups from 70s and 80s, Michael repeatedly says to some of the participants that they can teach people not only without mentioning the source (Michael), but even without talking at all, by their mere presence.

I can definitely see some of Michael students I have encountered so far, that they are themselves teachers and a lot of what they have to say does not necessarily make any reference to the teaching itself, yet it is totally congruent with it and often perfectly chosen for the right moment and the right people.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: jo on November 06, 2011, 11:31:32 PM

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Some of my LGBT friends also have found the soul ages information helpful.

I always thought that if you have been incarnating in a female or male body for an extending amount of time, then decide to pursue lessons of the other sex, you'll still feel more connected to the previous sex you've been for so long.  It's not like once you go from sex to sex you get a complete 180 flip on perception each time.

Maybe they've also found it helpful, because of the content in a Text of (I believe Joya Pope) on the website (under soul ages), wherein it's said, that old souls typically incarnate in the sex, they less prefer, to balance energy. Also it's written, that all old souls (and later mature) have subconscious contact to both female and male characteristics (or something like that, but you know what I mean). (-->doesn't mean it has to be true, just telling)
But what you said, could be true, as well.

Greeting, jo 
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 07, 2011, 12:46:34 AM
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Maybe they've also found it helpful, because of the content in a Text of (I believe Joya Pope) on the website (under soul ages), wherein it's said, that old souls typically incarnate in the sex, they less prefer , to balance energy. Also it's written, that all old souls (and later mature) have subconscious contact to both female and male characteristics (or something like that, but you know what I mean).
But what you said, could be true, as well.

Greeting, jo

Yeah but not all homosexuality exists on the old soul paradigm. That was just meant in regards to having several lives of each sex so much that a balance is then obtained.

Like think about this, say your essence has been incarnating in a female body for 18(probably not uncommon) life times in a row, and now to further experiences and growth, it decides to incarnate in a male for once. Chances are that it's still going to identify with the feminine pysche a lot. Then perhaps after 2-4 life times in a male body, the essence finally grounds itself into the masculine psyche and adopts its native behavior.  Makes sense doesn't it? 
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: John Roth on November 07, 2011, 02:35:12 PM
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Maybe they've also found it helpful, because of the content in a Text of (I believe Joya Pope) on the website (under soul ages), wherein it's said, that old souls typically incarnate in the sex, they less prefer , to balance energy. Also it's written, that all old souls (and later mature) have subconscious contact to both female and male characteristics (or something like that, but you know what I mean).
But what you said, could be true, as well.

Greeting, jo

Yeah but not all homosexuality exists on the old soul paradigm. That was just meant in regards to having several lives of each sex so much that a balance is then obtained.

Like think about this, say your essence has been incarnating in a female body for 18(probably not uncommon) life times in a row, and now to further experiences and growth, it decides to incarnate in a male for once. Chances are that it's still going to identify with the feminine pysche a lot. Then perhaps after 2-4 life times in a male body, the essence finally grounds itself into the masculine psyche and adopts its native behavior.  Makes sense doesn't it?

IIRC, from what JP had channeled, the usual limit is about three lifetimes in the same body type before it's really a good idea to switch sexes. Sometimes mixed gender (LGBT) is chosen, sometimes it just happens and Essence accepts it because it won't impact what Essence wants out of the lifetime.

Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 07, 2011, 11:49:32 PM
I suppose the question is why does one want to tell others. Is it to simply share what you are interested in and what your "path" is? is it to share the teaching itself? And if so, then how? And is it right for the person you are trying to share it with? And if so, is it for them as is, or does it need some sort of - translation?

In the transcripts of the various Michael groups from 70s and 80s, Michael repeatedly says to some of the participants that they can teach people not only without mentioning the source (Michael), but even without talking at all, by their mere presence.

I can definitely see some of Michael students I have encountered so far, that they are themselves teachers and a lot of what they have to say does not necessarily make any reference to the teaching itself, yet it is totally congruent with it and often perfectly chosen for the right moment and the right people.

Why does one want to tell others? Well for me it's just because I enjoy learning about it so much, that I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't also. Probably the same reason why Einstein spend 3 hours lecturing his 9 year old nephew on his sailing boat about physics. * It's informative and fascinating. But yeah, once you start understanding all the acute dynamics of MT, mentioning where it comes from is unnecessary I agree. Michael then becomes just like a master guru to turn too when your stuck or needing of more knowledge.

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Maybe they've also found it helpful, because of the content in a Text of (I believe Joya Pope) on the website (under soul ages), wherein it's said, that old souls typically incarnate in the sex, they less prefer , to balance energy. Also it's written, that all old souls (and later mature) have subconscious contact to both female and male characteristics (or something like that, but you know what I mean).
But what you said, could be true, as well.

Greeting, jo

Yeah but not all homosexuality exists on the old soul paradigm. That was just meant in regards to having several lives of each sex so much that a balance is then obtained.

Like think about this, say your essence has been incarnating in a female body for 18(probably not uncommon) life times in a row, and now to further experiences and growth, it decides to incarnate in a male for once. Chances are that it's still going to identify with the feminine pysche a lot. Then perhaps after 2-4 life times in a male body, the essence finally grounds itself into the masculine psyche and adopts its native behavior.  Makes sense doesn't it?

IIRC, from what JP had channeled, the usual limit is about three lifetimes in the same body type before it's really a good idea to switch sexes. Sometimes mixed gender (LGBT) is chosen, sometimes it just happens and Essence accepts it because it won't impact what Essence wants out of the lifetime.



Okay, but still to me it seems it would be a natural "side effect" of sex switching. If it is chosen then how is the psyche programed to experience it? Unless we are all at the very core Bisexual, but greatly repressed from myriad of factors, then it is not until the old soul stage that distortions become un-twined and expression of the core is called to surface. Homosexuality is found in a number of different species around the world, yet its only us humans that experience homophobia. Animals are instinctive and emotional(core without abstractions), so is it us the people that are breaking away from our cores (cycle from the tao towards evolution) and segregating our bonds to the same sex in the process because of the innate provocativeness to procreate? 
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Betty on November 08, 2011, 03:17:02 AM
I don't think it's a natural side effect at all.  I really don't see what the issue is here.  You switch genders with lifetimes; sometimes you're male, sometimes you're female.  I don't think your gender, sexual orientation, or psyche carries over into the next lifetime, unless there's a karmic reason for it to do so.

As to whether we are innately bisexual:  I would say, rather, that essence is omnisexual, if it is sexual at all.  I believe that sex is a physical phenomenon and unnecessary once we have cycled off the physical plane--at least, sex as we know it   :)

How did this topic get changed from "how to tell people about Michael" to a discussion on sex switching?
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 10, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
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I don't think it's a natural side effect at all.  I really don't see what the issue is here.  You switch genders with lifetimes; sometimes you're male, sometimes you're female.  I don't think your gender, sexual orientation, or psyche carries over into the next lifetime, unless there's a karmic reason for it to do so.

Okay, this is oversimplification of something that I think needs a more complex answer.  When you "switch" I'm still believing that there is a residual effect from the former life. From what I understand of the Michael teachings,[take note that at this point as I was writing an reply, words started to flow out, and I believe Michael then used my body as a tool to settle what is said so far about homosexuality.] Our conscious evolution dependent on reaching the internal monads propagating a flow of natural events that build up your progression forward towards new lifetimes. For now, it is certain that pressures on homosexuality are apparent in the natural progression of "life". What we can say for now is that homosexuality is an expression of an ideal focal point that the soul has chosen to accomplish within the specific lifetime. It is ideal then to say that no body is wrong in the matter of "why?" it happens and that it is just a natural phenomenon of life itself.

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How did this topic get changed from "how to tell people about Michael" to a discussion on sex switching?

The ripple effect in action from MeliaNamaste's last comment.


Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: John Roth on November 10, 2011, 01:39:24 PM

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How did this topic get changed from "how to tell people about Michael" to a discussion on sex switching?

The ripple effect in action from MeliaNamaste's last comment.

I'm going to put on the moderator hat and say to make a new topic to discuss sexuality.

John Roth
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 10, 2011, 10:20:12 PM

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How did this topic get changed from "how to tell people about Michael" to a discussion on sex switching?

The ripple effect in action from MeliaNamaste's last comment.

I'm going to put on the moderator hat and say to make a new topic to discuss sexuality.

John Roth

Well at this point we don't need too. Unless someone else has something to say on the matter, then -they- can make one
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: jk on November 13, 2011, 11:32:49 AM
I suppose the question is why does one want to tell others. Is it to simply share what you are interested in and what your "path" is? is it to share the teaching itself? And if so, then how? And is it right for the person you are trying to share it with? And if so, is it for them as is, or does it need some sort of - translation?

In the transcripts of the various Michael groups from 70s and 80s, Michael repeatedly says to some of the participants that they can teach people not only without mentioning the source (Michael), but even without talking at all, by their mere presence.

I can definitely see some of Michael students I have encountered so far, that they are themselves teachers and a lot of what they have to say does not necessarily make any reference to the teaching itself, yet it is totally congruent with it and often perfectly chosen for the right moment and the right people.

Why does one want to tell others? Well for me it's just because I enjoy learning about it so much, that I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't also. Probably the same reason why Einstein spend 3 hours lecturing his 9 year old nephew on his sailing boat about physics. * It's informative and fascinating. But yeah, once you start understanding all the acute dynamics of MT, mentioning where it comes from is unnecessary I agree. Michael then becomes just like a master guru to turn too when your stuck or needing of more knowledge.

I mean - the "why" leads to the "how". And part of that is also "to whom".
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 15, 2011, 07:58:01 AM
To whom and how? How is a tricky question needing of a tricky answers. Answers so deep and so mind blowing you mortal punitive mind cannot fathom its complexity. Now with that said, I think its best to just step back from this. Unless of course we just assume people will come around to examining belief structures that venture with reason and beyond mortality. Then we could to nudge them along to a fuller view to which the michael teaching can come walking into the conversations for once at the family dinner.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: jk on November 16, 2011, 09:55:34 AM
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To whom and how? How is a tricky question needing of a tricky answers. Answers so deep and so mind blowing you mortal punitive mind cannot fathom its complexity. Now with that said, I think its best to just step back from this. Unless of course we just assume people will come around to examining belief structures that venture with reason and beyond mortality. Then we could to nudge them along to a fuller view to which the michael teaching can come walking into the conversations for once at the family dinner.
If the family around this hypothetical family dinner table was interested in MT and open to ideas like channeling (and the "why" is that they might find the Michael Teaching of value), then sharing the teaching (if you choose to do so), could be approached quite directly ("how") and one could make an assumption it would be well received and such people are seeking such information.
If this family was not interested in MT, and perhaps quite happy with being, I dont know, Christians, or Atheists, then the "why" has everything to do with the person who wants to share it and their need for support, and nothing to do with the rest of the people around the table. Then it comes to expectations the person places on their family, on asking something from them that they cannot give him/her etc.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 17, 2011, 07:51:22 AM
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To whom and how? How is a tricky question needing of a tricky answers. Answers so deep and so mind blowing you mortal punitive mind cannot fathom its complexity. Now with that said, I think its best to just step back from this. Unless of course we just assume people will come around to examining belief structures that venture with reason and beyond mortality. Then we could to nudge them along to a fuller view to which the michael teaching can come walking into the conversations for once at the family dinner.
If the family around this hypothetical family dinner table was interested in MT and open to ideas like channeling (and the "why" is that they might find the Michael Teaching of value), then sharing the teaching (if you choose to do so), could be approached quite directly ("how") and one could make an assumption it would be well received and such people are seeking such information.
If this family was not interested in MT, and perhaps quite happy with being, I dont know, Christians, or Atheists, then the "why" has everything to do with the person who wants to share it and their need for support, and nothing to do with the rest of the people around the table. Then it comes to expectations the person places on their family, on asking something from them that they cannot give him/her etc.
Well clearly one wouldn't go stomping around a catholic church with raw new age material to flash  around coming from a ouija board, preaching about a better way. Respect for others entitlement to believe what one wishes to believe is an important ethical practice in life and what I would presume Good work to be.

HOW would you describe the michael teachings to a logical left brained scientist?(that's what I'm asking YOU) Why? Well because perhaps if Michael teachings could attract more skeptics, then it there would be a pressure to receive more channeling and further evolve the teachings. Sharing the teachings to a wider audience can only produce more involvement with the Midcasual entity and earth, and giving us more information to make the grand connections between science and spirituality. So absolute truth could be broadly known and clumsy limiting belief structures can be burnt down.

Telling people who are already in agreeable compliance with the teachings doesn't usually ignite constructive skepticism that can improve what already exists. It pressures us to validate it more if there is people demanding more proof.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: jk on November 17, 2011, 04:42:40 PM
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HOW would you describe the michael teachings to a logical left brained scientist?(that's what I'm asking YOU) Why? Well because perhaps if Michael teachings could attract more skeptics, then it there would be a pressure to receive more channeling and further evolve the teachings. Sharing the teachings to a wider audience can only produce more involvement with the Midcasual entity and earth, and giving us more information to make the grand connections between science and spirituality. So absolute truth could be broadly known and clumsy limiting belief structures can be burnt down.

Telling people who are already in agreeable compliance with the teachings doesn't usually ignite constructive skepticism that can improve what already exists. It pressures us to validate it more if there is people demanding more proof.

I simply don't see a point in doing that (telling people who are not clearly open to it/seeking it). If I received information of scientific/techological nature, that I could share in some productive way, I would share it but keep the source to myself, unless I would be sharing with someone who is at least remotely okay with it. I see more value in putting the teaching into practice than preaching it. It's not another Christianity. In my view it is a kind of teaching that people find for themselves, and if they don't, then it's not for them, at least not in an active form.
I HAVE tried to share it with some people, and the above is what I have realised from that experience. Even people who are fully open to the idea of channeling were not attracted to it, at least not the way I am (for example one such person preferred teaching of Veronica Entity and yet another one did her own channeling of some sort of guides). They listened, they asked questions, but that was it. One even looked around michaelteachings.com, and it just was not for her. Whereas when I did that as a newbie, I got hooked.
Michael Teaching IS very much evolving, there is new material still channeled and freely available for study. And it is driven by existing as well as new students (all of whom pretty much find it for themselves, rather than being actively recruited). They ask questions, and that is what drives the evolution of the Teaching.
I do not see what Michael tells us as "absolute truth". And they would not call it that either. If they did, I would immediately view it with suspicion and probably steer clear of it.
I have neither desire nor even a smidgeon of ability to burn somebody else's belief system down, unless they themselves were ready and willing to have it burnt down in the first place (then I can ONLY help). When there is a way, there is a way. When there isn't a way, there isn't a way. My own belief systems are the only ones that are my own business. I can share how I see things, and what others do or believe is up to them.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: John Roth on November 17, 2011, 08:30:22 PM
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HOW would you describe the michael teachings to a logical left brained scientist?(that's what I'm asking YOU) Why? Well because perhaps if Michael teachings could attract more skeptics, then it there would be a pressure to receive more channeling and further evolve the teachings. Sharing the teachings to a wider audience can only produce more involvement with the Midcasual entity and earth, and giving us more information to make the grand connections between science and spirituality. So absolute truth could be broadly known and clumsy limiting belief structures can be burnt down.

Telling people who are already in agreeable compliance with the teachings doesn't usually ignite constructive skepticism that can improve what already exists. It pressures us to validate it more if there is people demanding more proof.

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I HAVE tried to share it with some people, and the above it what I have realised from that experience. Even people who are fully open to the idea of channeling were not attracted to it, at least not the way I am (for example one such person preferred teaching of Veronica Entity and yet another one did her own channeling of some sort of guides). They listened, they asked questions, but that was it. One even looked around michaelteachings.com, and it just was not for her. Whereas when I did that as a newbie, I got hooked.

People who are attracted to the teaching usually have an agreement with Michael, frequently over several lifetimes. There are a few people who discovered Michael while they were incarnate and became intrigued, but that's fairly rare. That's why the teaching is loaded with first and second cadre people. It's not that those two cadres have most of the late mature and old souls -- far from it. It's that those two cadres are in an energetic relationship with the Michael entity where Michael is an obvious candidate for the teacher slot.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Betty on November 17, 2011, 09:42:12 PM
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People who are attracted to the teaching usually have an agreement with Michael, frequently over several lifetimes. There are a few people who discovered Michael while they were incarnate and became intrigued, but that's fairly rare. That's why the teaching is loaded with first and second cadre people. It's not that those two cadres have most of the late mature and old souls -- far from it. It's that those two cadres are in an energetic relationship with the Michael entity where Michael is an obvious candidate for the teacher slot.

Really?  I'm in cadre 2.  Where can I learn more about the agreement with Michael and/or the energetic relationship?
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 17, 2011, 11:08:25 PM
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HOW would you describe the michael teachings to a logical left brained scientist?(that's what I'm asking YOU) Why? Well because perhaps if Michael teachings could attract more skeptics, then it there would be a pressure to receive more channeling and further evolve the teachings. Sharing the teachings to a wider audience can only produce more involvement with the Midcasual entity and earth, and giving us more information to make the grand connections between science and spirituality. So absolute truth could be broadly known and clumsy limiting belief structures can be burnt down.

Telling people who are already in agreeable compliance with the teachings doesn't usually ignite constructive skepticism that can improve what already exists. It pressures us to validate it more if there is people demanding more proof.

I simply don't see a point in doing that (telling people who are not clearly open to it/seeking it). If I received information of scientific/techological nature, that I could share in some productive way, I would share it but keep the source to myself, unless I would be sharing with someone who is at least remotely okay with it. I see more value in putting the teaching into practice than preaching it. It's not another Christianity. In my view it is a kind of teaching that people find for themselves, and if they don't, then it's not for them, at least not in an active form.
I HAVE tried to share it with some people, and the above it what I have realised from that experience. Even people who are fully open to the idea of channeling were not attracted to it, at least not the way I am (for example one such person preferred teaching of Veronica Entity and yet another one did her own channeling of some sort of guides). They listened, they asked questions, but that was it. One even looked around michaelteachings.com, and it just was not for her. Whereas when I did that as a newbie, I got hooked.
Michael Teaching IS very much evolving, there is new material still channeled and freely available for study. And it is driven by existing as well as new students (all of whom pretty much find it for themselves, rather than being actively recruited). They ask questions, and that is what drives the evolution of the Teaching.
I do not see what Michael tells us as "absolute truth". And they would not call it that either. If they did, I would immediately view it with suspicion and probably steer clear of it.
I have neither desire nor even a smidgeon of ability to burn somebody else's belief system down, unless they themselves were ready and willing to have it burnt down in the first place (then I can ONLY help). When there is a way, there is a way. When there isn't a way, there isn't a way. My own belief systems are the only ones that are my own business. I can share how I see things, and what others do or believe is up to them.

I for one believe in absolute truths. I believe we can only have one scientific truth, and one spiritual truth.  Maybe this is just the priestly part of me, but I want to die knowing that spirituality and science can have a mating relationship with each other AND have offspring known as one reality. What's driven me so far about MT in particular is it's ability to explain a lot about a lot, that's easy to make sense of. MT is pioneering us forward to greater "spiritual" truths that can be backed up by valid claims on our ability to perceive them. [from this point on, I presume this was a guided answer]It's important to remember that the teachings are about agape not right or wrong. Its useless to argue the teachings with those whom deny it. It's up to them to experience them or not. What is Good work however is ones ability to validate the teachings around him/her and then share the insights that they presume to be helpful in aiding restricting blocks. Once again no one is right nor wrong, it's all an experience to excel from.  What could be said is that If one were to nudge along hints to a greater picture, then by all means do so, but the intent should not be to save them, but to open their 'eyes' to something different and potentially helpful.  [please take note that  sometimes as I write forum responses, i get a certain "flow" to which I presume is Michael guiding some of my responses, like the last on the first page about sexuality. I've found out that I do in fact have an Agreement with them which involves sharing/validating/using ect.... which I'm sure a lot of you do as well.]
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: John Roth on November 18, 2011, 11:39:55 PM
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People who are attracted to the teaching usually have an agreement with Michael, frequently over several lifetimes. There are a few people who discovered Michael while they were incarnate and became intrigued, but that's fairly rare. That's why the teaching is loaded with first and second cadre people. It's not that those two cadres have most of the late mature and old souls -- far from it. It's that those two cadres are in an energetic relationship with the Michael entity where Michael is an obvious candidate for the teacher slot.

Really?  I'm in cadre 2.  Where can I learn more about the agreement with Michael and/or the energetic relationship?

As far as the agreement goes, that really all I know - there is an agreement, which means that there is an established relationship before the personality first discovers the teaching on the physical plane. That's why there is an immediate recognition.

Cadres 1 and 2 are the first cadres in the energy ring immediately after the one containing the Michael entity. Shephard Hoodwin has a thorough discussion of this in The Journey of your Soul, and the relevant excerpt is posted on the site at: http://www.michaelteachings.com/cadres_shep.html

You'll notice what Shephard calls a cadre group is the same arrangement that J.P. calls an energy ring, and that they've got somewhat of a disagreement - Shepard has Michael in the ring two in front of ours, while JP has them in the ring immediately preceding ours.

There are several other articles on cadres and entities at http://www.michaelteachings.com/cadre_entity_index.html
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Betty on November 19, 2011, 03:48:15 PM

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As far as the agreement goes, that really all I know - there is an agreement, which means that there is an established relationship before the personality first discovers the teaching on the physical plane. That's why there is an immediate recognition.

Cadres 1 and 2 are the first cadres in the energy ring immediately after the one containing the Michael entity. Shephard Hoodwin has a thorough discussion of this in The Journey of your Soul, and the relevant excerpt is posted on the site at: http://www.michaelteachings.com/cadres_shep.html

You'll notice what Shephard calls a cadre group is the same arrangement that J.P. calls an energy ring, and that they've got somewhat of a disagreement - Shepard has Michael in the ring two in front of ours, while JP has them in the ring immediately preceding ours.

There are several other articles on cadres and entities at http://www.michaelteachings.com/cadre_entity_index.html

Thanks...I've read those articles.  I was hoping for something specific.  Oh, well...I'm sure I'll find it eventually.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: MeliaNamaste on November 21, 2011, 05:51:43 PM
Sorry for introducing a red herring. My point wasn't so much about sexual orientation as about giving people who face discrimination a tool to understand the capacity of other people to deal with their 'otherness'. And also to help avoid judgement or waste of energy trying to explain to those who won't be able to get your point, no matter what. A baby soul is never going to understand why someone is 'not like me' and usually feels threatened by it. A young soul won't see anything for them in the situation, and a mature soul? I'm not sure about this one in this context. I have found the soul age awareness to be very helpful in knowing how to proceed in my work as a spiritual support person and after outlining the concept of soul ages, if people ask for more information, I refer them to the books.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on November 23, 2011, 04:14:06 AM
Not a red herring at all. It's important to put your thoughts "out there" because of there ability to generate further and boarder pictures to be pondered upon. Sharing what you just said was helpful to me as it give me boarder awareness, aroused mental activity, created a link to a 8th+ dimensional entity home of 1050 individual operating minds to share wisdom, all of which expanded my mind that much further.  thank you.  ;D
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Mary Lou on November 27, 2011, 12:37:35 AM
this is interesting.  I have not really made an effort to tell anyone except my husband and my one brother and his wife. 

with being a pagan and into ghost investigation, that seemed to be enough for the rest of my family and friends so I do not over due it now.

but I do seek ore and more friends who are in the groups so that I can chat about this and share.  My hubby listens but this is not his thing.  just as numerology is not his thing either.  he see it as a philosophy and is not against it but it is just not his thing.

though we both do enjoy the paranormal and the spiritual in a non traditional way. 

as hard as a time that I have had trying to share being a pagan and being a witch and trying to share that it is non threatening, I would not even think to do it with the MT.

though I do not hide it. I have the group on my main fb page. if someone asks about it, I tell them about it. but not unless they ask.

Mary Lou
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Dave on January 15, 2012, 03:13:19 AM
Of course, I've obviously made the teachings available to people on the MT site, but I've rarely had much success in evangelizing the teachings -- especially to those who would have no reason or inclination to be drawn to the material. As John implied earlier, the teachings will attract those who were meant to find it, but I disagree with students in the community who feel that the MT should be evangelized to the masses, almost like a religion. That would surely be counter-productive.

I'm also against evangelizing Michael channels. The Michael teachings were never intended to be about channels and their clamoring to build client bases. We don't need more gurus. The core material is largely available now, so it's about time we start thinking for ourselves.

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on January 22, 2012, 02:12:28 AM
Its not so much evangelizing the teachings as a whole, but producing the information to the masses, so they can benefit the value of learning more about the universe they live in. Its all about finding the common demoninator amongst all "spiritual" teachings, and finding more core truths out. You know we have scientists furthering the evolvement of knowledge and truth by examining the concrete reality around us, michael teachings is merely information categorized into a template that furthers evolvement of our reality of more abstract concepts.

What I'm all about is trying to getting valuable slightly more esoteric knowledge for the masses to indulge in. I don't mean sermonizing the teachings as a religious opportunity towards enlightenment, but merely having the basic core of the teachings presented into simple methods of understanding. If that makes sense. As what Jordan Dutchynz (sp?) did with his spirit science video's, its all about presenting ideas that formulate new age metaphysical truths for the general populace, to get them to have a clearer view and understanding of everything spiritual and mystical as a whole.

Honestly my biggest peeve about the teachings is it's name. I hate using the name Michael, because it almost acts as a repellent as getting those whom don't have agreements with the Michael engaged with the information provided, so they themselves can have stepping stones to jump forward on so to speak when is comes down to thinking about the larger picture and whom they actually are, and why we're here all here. It's like it glamorizes the messenger more then the message with the name Michael before the teaching.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Dave on January 22, 2012, 03:33:29 AM
Its not so much evangelizing the teachings as a whole, but producing the information to the masses, so they can benefit the value of learning more about the universe they live in. Its all about finding the common demoninator amongst all "spiritual" teachings, and finding more core truths out. You know we have scientists furthering the evolvement of knowledge and truth by examining the concrete reality around us, michael teachings is merely information categorized into a template that furthers evolvement of our reality of more abstract concepts.

What I'm all about is trying to getting valuable slightly more esoteric knowledge for the masses to indulge in. I don't mean sermonizing the teachings as a religious opportunity towards enlightenment, but merely having the basic core of the teachings presented into simple methods of understanding.

This is already being done, of course, with the books, websites, and channels.

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Honestly my biggest peeve about the teachings is it's name. I hate using the name Michael, because it almost acts as a repellent as getting those whom don't have agreements with the Michael engaged with the information provided, so they themselves can have stepping stones to jump forward on so to speak when is comes down to thinking about the larger picture and whom they actually are, and why we're here all here. It's like it glamorizes the messenger more then the message with the name Michael before the teaching.

I don't think Michael students are that superficial. The name Michael was arbitrary to begin with, and its primary use is to denote the source of the material and attract those students previously familiar with the teachings. There have been attempts to water-down the teachings and refit the terminology, but those efforts generally failed. I've even seen attempts to commercialize the teachings, but what most marketers forget is that the MT doesn't appeal to the ego, which is a major selling point in the self-help arena. If you recall, "The Secret," like many law of attraction vehicles, promised the way to abundance, success, and personal power; the MT doesn't have that what's in it for me type of motivator. And to reach the masses, you typically need to stroke the ego somehow.

Either way, much of the masses would never embrace the teachings due to different perspectives in soul age. We had one channel change the name of the source and try to blend the material with other new age concepts, and the results were idiotic and embarrassing. Enough of that, please.

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on January 22, 2012, 06:26:28 PM
I've seen a lot of the ways michael teachings as been packaged, I know and we all know the name is arbitrary, but people without agreements do not unless it's stated right away. The whole metaphysical law of 7 i feel could use a little more clarification to the public. Take a look at the flower of life, and see that its literally the very dynamic of the teaching. One of the most circulated ancient symbols is conveying the "truth" that the michael entity perceives all the same. So it's not just about the michael teachings, its about the information that supports what we already know and how it all comes to together.

Personally I'm still going to continue with trying to disperse the information when appropriate, and I'm still going to share it when everyone i think would be interested. I've already met several people that loved it, and several that thought it didn't exist. What ever. What as already been done, as been done, what hasn't will be whats next in the next wave of publications. More of the teachings is evolving and more information is being provided to give better clarity of how it all "goes down". I'm a communicator to the nth degree, and I will further try to better communicate all that as been provided.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2012, 01:07:06 AM
I've seen a lot of the ways michael teachings as been packaged, I know and we all know the name is arbitrary, but people without agreements do not unless it's stated right away. The whole metaphysical law of 7 i feel could use a little more clarification to the public. Take a look at the flower of life, and see that its literally the very dynamic of the teaching. One of the most circulated ancient symbols is conveying the "truth" that the michael entity perceives all the same. So it's not just about the michael teachings, its about the information that supports what we already know and how it all comes to together.


The mathematical side of the MT is certainly interesting from a structural point of view, but there's been a longtime tendency to over emphasize the theoretical aspects of the teachings while ignoring the more important issue of application. The true dynamic of the teachings is always about people, a truth frequently forgotten when theoretical concerns become the primary focus. So even if the flower of life has relevance to the teachings -- which I tend to doubt -- it's importance is peripheral to the core of the teachings, which is about learning tolerance for others and practicing unconditional love.


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Personally I'm still going to continue with trying to disperse the information when appropriate, and I'm still going to share it when everyone i think would be interested. I've already met several people that loved it, and several that thought it didn't exist. What ever. What as already been done, as been done, what hasn't will be whats next in the next wave of publications. More of the teachings is evolving and more information is being provided to give better clarity of how it all "goes down". I'm a communicator to the nth degree, and I will further try to better communicate all that as been provided.

New information is always subject to validation. Sometimes what I've seen labeled as an evolution of the material is really just a distortion. The core material, however, is widely available now and ready to be implemented if students are willing to do the necessary work.

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on January 23, 2012, 02:33:34 AM
I've pasted the channeling I did on here about the flower of life. Once I knew it took seven circles to complete the entire flower and the pedals all looked their on 3 axises, I figured there is an overall dynamic to the universe that we as a human specie haven't fully understood. I channeled the entity when i primped and primed for it, and got good paragraph or so, disclosing that i wasn't incorrect to assume the pedals makes the axises and the flower is the very dynamic of their teaching. The teachings themselves were meant for not just agape but used to help with all exigencies of life, the flower just being a symbol of the hidden matrix of our cosmos; Inspiration, expression, action and assimilation. Which then they built a template for us to use as a way towards understanding ourselves and the larger picture, since that's what humanity needs most. 

 It only remains theoretical because well, we have yet to prove it perfect certainty and use it to its fullest potential. That's why we all made agreements with the Michael teachings. To use them, share them, validate them, so as a collective we can slowly fade away the maya on our planet and see what is and whats not. Perhaps right now I'm only on the sharing stage, and starting towards the validation stage. Just recently I got into a conversation about the seven different roles with a couple of folks, and all them right away were curious to  know what they were. After briefly going over all of the roles and the principle behind each one, they all right away knew which one they were. I remember going over what an artisan with king casting would act like, and with out a doubt the guy burst out laughing and says "YOU'VE NAILED IT! THATS SO ME!" Thats exactly what i pegged him as from the get go. He was happy, I was happy. Much love to go around.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: John Roth on January 26, 2012, 04:56:45 PM
Its not so much evangelizing the teachings as a whole, but producing the information to the masses, so they can benefit the value of learning more about the universe they live in. Its all about finding the common demoninator amongst all "spiritual" teachings, and finding more core truths out. You know we have scientists furthering the evolvement of knowledge and truth by examining the concrete reality around us, michael teachings is merely information categorized into a template that furthers evolvement of our reality of more abstract concepts.

What I'm all about is trying to getting valuable slightly more esoteric knowledge for the masses to indulge in. I don't mean sermonizing the teachings as a religious opportunity towards enlightenment, but merely having the basic core of the teachings presented into simple methods of understanding. If that makes sense. As what Jordan Dutchynz (sp?) did with his spirit science video's, its all about presenting ideas that formulate new age metaphysical truths for the general populace, to get them to have a clearer view and understanding of everything spiritual and mystical as a whole.

Honestly my biggest peeve about the teachings is it's name. I hate using the name Michael, because it almost acts as a repellent as getting those whom don't have agreements with the Michael engaged with the information provided, so they themselves can have stepping stones to jump forward on so to speak when is comes down to thinking about the larger picture and whom they actually are, and why we're here all here. It's like it glamorizes the messenger more then the message with the name Michael before the teaching.

You might consider writing fiction. IMO the best attempt to date has been some of John Dalmas' stories. There's another story cycle that does an excellent job of treating reincarnation and the entanglements of several people in different lifetimes in a culture that evolves over several centuries.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on January 26, 2012, 07:15:36 PM
Yeah that sounds more my alley. I was just actually entertaining the thought of making a fictional story that covers the validating  process of the teachings. I want to do something innovative and original, and perhaps going Mark Twain on MT could be a successful endeavour. But I wouldn't do it unless I know it would be great and further people along the metaphysical path (Arrogance mixed with Priest and Spiritual attitude?). With the Age of Aquarius in full swing who knows how much metaphysics will blow up in 10 years.

I seem to have a lot of Carndial inspiration energy floating aboot.
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2012, 12:29:01 AM
I've pasted the channeling I did on here about the flower of life. Once I knew it took seven circles to complete the entire flower and the pedals all looked their on 3 axises, I figured there is an overall dynamic to the universe that we as a human specie haven't fully understood. I channeled the entity when i primped and primed for it, and got good paragraph or so, disclosing that i wasn't incorrect to assume the pedals makes the axises and the flower is the very dynamic of their teaching. The teachings themselves were meant for not just agape but used to help with all exigencies of life, the flower just being a symbol of the hidden matrix of our cosmos; Inspiration, expression, action and assimilation. Which then they built a template for us to use as a way towards understanding ourselves and the larger picture, since that's what humanity needs most.

The ultimate goal of the teachings is agape. I don't think there's much argument there. And understanding ourselves and seeing the bigger picture is certainly a concept that's written throughout the books and scattered all across the MT site. This is nothing new, of course. 

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It only remains theoretical because well, we have yet to prove it perfect certainty and use it to its fullest potential. That's why we all made agreements with the Michael teachings. To use them, share them, validate them, so as a collective we can slowly fade away the maya on our planet and see what is and whats not. Perhaps right now I'm only on the sharing stage, and starting towards the validation stage. Just recently I got into a conversation about the seven different roles with a couple of folks, and all them right away were curious to  know what they were. After briefly going over all of the roles and the principle behind each one, they all right away knew which one they were. I remember going over what an artisan with king casting would act like, and with out a doubt the guy burst out laughing and says "YOU'VE NAILED IT! THATS SO ME!" Thats exactly what i pegged him as from the get go. He was happy, I was happy. Much love to go around.

I'd guess that most of us have had experiences like that when we shared the MT. I think it's always easier to spark interest than retain it, however. One obvious hitch is that once students get beyond the theoretical side of the MT they inevitably face the task of doing the inner work necessary to live the teachings. That's daunting for some, and they will either fall back to the theoretical or quit studying the material altogether.

Dave
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on January 27, 2012, 06:49:32 PM
Personally what has helped me the most, which I'm guessing has influence from the casual plane but still non conclusive, is visualizing every minuscule aspect of the teaching. That i think is whats next. A visual to go with the framework to make the daunting experience of validation a breeze for those less linguistically inclined. Also if we had a physicist that was willing to channel the michael, couldn't we have a more scientific approach towards the theoretical side since they'd be able to use the subconscious of the scientist to maximum benefit?
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Wnbriz on September 29, 2012, 04:18:10 AM
causal*
Title: Re: How do you go about telling people about the Michael teachings?
Post by: Jon on March 28, 2013, 02:45:27 PM
I'd guess that most of us have had experiences like that when we shared the MT. I think it's always easier to spark interest than retain it, however. One obvious hitch is that once students get beyond the theoretical side of the MT they inevitably face the task of doing the inner work necessary to live the teachings. That's daunting for some, and they will either fall back to the theoretical or quit studying the material altogether.


I agree with all of these points.  I have not had any interest in sharing the teaching because I so loathe religious proselytizing. But, a loved one who lost a dear friend to cancer has been grieving for 2 years and could not overcome the grief. I slowly began introducing her to agape, of a 'God' who does not condemn sinners, that there was no original sin, and no eternal judgment. That we are here to learn, grow, find peace within, to be a better person. Ultimately, to learn unconditional love, the ability to love the unlovable. Over time, she has come to agree. I explained my belief that her dear friend is right here with us, any time you think of her, that is her saying hello. At one recent resurgence of grief, I gently suggested that I believe this is not a one-shot life, but that we eventually return to continue our path of learning to love the unlovable.