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Akashic Records / Re: Akashic Records
« on: May 13, 2011, 11:16:31 AM »
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General Discussion / Re: The Economy
« on: May 13, 2011, 11:12:41 AM »Quote
What is Michael's take on the current economy? Will it ever be the same again?Regardless of what Michael would say on the subject, my own understanding is that nothing can even be quite the same again since nothing is static and certainly not economy.
As for concrete and vague answers from Michael, I have seen both. Certainly, sometimes it may be a problem with the question. However, Michael certainly often gives concrete answers and to give an example of this, it was a channeling about some health problems. I was recommended pretty concrete things. One of them proved to be problematic, others were helpful.
Often when they choose to be vague, they even explain it is because they believe that the person needs to arrive at the answer themselves. And I completely understand this, in these instances. Imagine you see clearly what someone's personality issues are. But you know they are not conscious of these issues. You could just blurt it out at them. If they were ready to hear it, it might help (I certainly got some of those from Michael). If they are not, they will only raise their defenses and you will not get through anyway. As a rule of thumb I would say they tend not to say something if chances are high that this will only strengthen the False Personality. They will also not do your work for you, your own insights are more valuable to you than having them handed to you on a silver plate.
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Spirituality / Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
« on: May 13, 2011, 10:46:25 AM »
My own understanding of this is that it is misunderstood. In MFM it says "WE ARE NOT THE PATH TO SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT.
WE OFFER A WAY TO HUMAN UNDERSTANDING BASED
ON OUR OWN EXPERIENCE...."
and
"WE ARE NOT THE PATH. WE ARE AN ANCIENT ENTITY
THAT COMES TO ALL WHO ASK. OUR PURPOSE IS TO
TEACH SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE EVOLUTION ON
THE PHYSICAL PLANE SO THAT THE STUDENT CAN
REACH SOME INSIGHT INTO HUMAN BEHAVIOR WHICH
WILL ENABLE HIM THEN TO STOP BROODING OVER
INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS OR THE LACK THEREOF
AND CONCENTRATE ON PERSONAL LIFE PLANS."
and
"IF ONE IS TO SEEK THE PATH TO SPIRITUAL
ENLIGHTENMENT ONE MUST FIRST BECOME AWARE IF
ONE’S OWN INNER HUMANNESS AND EXPLOIT THIS TO
ITS FULLEST. IF ONE IS TO SEEK THE HIGHEST TRUTH OF
ALL, ONE MUST FIRST BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT IS
FALSE — IN OTHER WORDS, THE LIES MUST BE TOLD
BEFORE THE TRUTH CAN BE SOUGHT. IN ORDER TO
UNDERSTAND, THERE MUST BE AGREEMENT ON ALL
LEVELS. LOVE IS THE TRUTH TOWARD WHICH WE ALL
ASPIRE. IN THIS WE INCLUDE OURSELVES AND OTHER
ENTITIES LIKE OURSELVES STILL SEEKING."
My personal interpretation of this is that the emphasis in the sentence "WE ARE NOT THE PATH TO SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT" is on the word "enlightenment", rather than "spiritual" or "path". I am not sure whether this is really a verbatim channeling or edited by Yarbro.
Elsewhere they say they wish to point out the difference between spiritual enlightenment and growth. And that they expect every single one of the members of the group to grow from the experience (presumably from the teaching?), but they do not expect anyone of them to achieve cosmic consciousness.
In other words, the way I understand this, is "all in good time" or "take it one step at a time, in the right order" or "you cannot run before you can walk".
WE OFFER A WAY TO HUMAN UNDERSTANDING BASED
ON OUR OWN EXPERIENCE...."
and
"WE ARE NOT THE PATH. WE ARE AN ANCIENT ENTITY
THAT COMES TO ALL WHO ASK. OUR PURPOSE IS TO
TEACH SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE EVOLUTION ON
THE PHYSICAL PLANE SO THAT THE STUDENT CAN
REACH SOME INSIGHT INTO HUMAN BEHAVIOR WHICH
WILL ENABLE HIM THEN TO STOP BROODING OVER
INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS OR THE LACK THEREOF
AND CONCENTRATE ON PERSONAL LIFE PLANS."
and
"IF ONE IS TO SEEK THE PATH TO SPIRITUAL
ENLIGHTENMENT ONE MUST FIRST BECOME AWARE IF
ONE’S OWN INNER HUMANNESS AND EXPLOIT THIS TO
ITS FULLEST. IF ONE IS TO SEEK THE HIGHEST TRUTH OF
ALL, ONE MUST FIRST BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT IS
FALSE — IN OTHER WORDS, THE LIES MUST BE TOLD
BEFORE THE TRUTH CAN BE SOUGHT. IN ORDER TO
UNDERSTAND, THERE MUST BE AGREEMENT ON ALL
LEVELS. LOVE IS THE TRUTH TOWARD WHICH WE ALL
ASPIRE. IN THIS WE INCLUDE OURSELVES AND OTHER
ENTITIES LIKE OURSELVES STILL SEEKING."
My personal interpretation of this is that the emphasis in the sentence "WE ARE NOT THE PATH TO SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT" is on the word "enlightenment", rather than "spiritual" or "path". I am not sure whether this is really a verbatim channeling or edited by Yarbro.
Elsewhere they say they wish to point out the difference between spiritual enlightenment and growth. And that they expect every single one of the members of the group to grow from the experience (presumably from the teaching?), but they do not expect anyone of them to achieve cosmic consciousness.
In other words, the way I understand this, is "all in good time" or "take it one step at a time, in the right order" or "you cannot run before you can walk".
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Spirituality / Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
« on: May 13, 2011, 10:14:44 AM »
Regardless of what is being said here, let me ask you this - how much do you know about the teachings and have you tried to apply them in any way? If so how did that work out for you? If not, why not start with that? I am trying to determine what exactly troubles you.
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Channeling / Re: List Of Channeled Beings (A Topic Proposed Long Ago By Dave Greg) Any New?
« on: May 13, 2011, 10:08:40 AM »
I will add some:
Veronica Entity
Orin/DaBen
Bashar
Neile Donald Walshe's "God"
Robert Entity (mentioned in MFM)
Veronica Entity
Orin/DaBen
Bashar
Neile Donald Walshe's "God"
Robert Entity (mentioned in MFM)
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Internal Monads / Re: Internal Monads
« on: May 13, 2011, 08:08:01 AM »
Sabine can you cite what exactly you have read? It sounds a little odd.
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Internal Monads / Re: Successful & Unsuccessful Monads
« on: May 13, 2011, 08:06:47 AM »
There have been comprehensive channeling sessions dealing with this. Some Googling for "monad positive negative poles" can help you find them and these will answer your question in more depth than is in my opinion possible in a short post.
In order to understand if you are negotiating a monad successfully, you need to surely understand what is that monad about, and whether you have successfully negotiated the previous ones. You could get this channeled but if you do understand the above, with self-honesty you can tell for yourself.
In order to understand if you are negotiating a monad successfully, you need to surely understand what is that monad about, and whether you have successfully negotiated the previous ones. You could get this channeled but if you do understand the above, with self-honesty you can tell for yourself.
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Essence / Re: Essence or Soul or Higher Self
« on: May 13, 2011, 07:59:30 AM »
I don't think there is a clearly defined way these are used in MT, but mostly it seems to be Essence = Higher Self (although sometimes I think this includes the rest of your Entity?)
Soul seems to be used more in a fragment sense, that is fragment of the whole Essence, with specific overleaves.
Soul seems to be used more in a fragment sense, that is fragment of the whole Essence, with specific overleaves.
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The Roles (or Soul Types) / Re: POLL: What is Your Role?
« on: May 13, 2011, 07:56:37 AM »Though, I remember a past life where it was like that at the Tower of London just before my execution. That wasn't a good day. ;-)Brrr, I had a dream twice about my own execution. Each was different, but equally horrid and so life like that i wonder if it was a recall.
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General Discussion / Re: My Michael Chart
« on: May 05, 2011, 08:27:04 AM »
I am not a Sage, but I am an Artisan, Sage cast. When someone talks about a need for audience, I can relate. Examples I get satisfaction from:
- Singing a song in a way it makes someone cry or strongly relate to their own experience (puts them and you in Higher Emotional Centre)
- Expressing something you know in a way that makes it click for someone else - relaying knowledge
- Being a teacher and seeing your pupil blossoming
The thing with important insights coming when discussing something with someone, is not Sage only quality. It is what you are describing - the act of expressing them - you try to make it clear to someone else, and in the process you make it clear to yourself. I see it all the time between me and my colleagues. We are software developers so there is lot of problem solving going on. But in such case I don't perceive the other person as an audience, even though - why not. I would not say I solely solve things this way. There are definitely steps in the process where I want to take it away and mull over it alone. And then perhaps come back together again and reshape it again.
- Singing a song in a way it makes someone cry or strongly relate to their own experience (puts them and you in Higher Emotional Centre)
- Expressing something you know in a way that makes it click for someone else - relaying knowledge
- Being a teacher and seeing your pupil blossoming
The thing with important insights coming when discussing something with someone, is not Sage only quality. It is what you are describing - the act of expressing them - you try to make it clear to someone else, and in the process you make it clear to yourself. I see it all the time between me and my colleagues. We are software developers so there is lot of problem solving going on. But in such case I don't perceive the other person as an audience, even though - why not. I would not say I solely solve things this way. There are definitely steps in the process where I want to take it away and mull over it alone. And then perhaps come back together again and reshape it again.
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Soul Age / Re: Soul Age. How to spot it
« on: May 02, 2011, 03:15:35 PM »
Most of simple statements that can be stuffed into one sentence are generalisations, and if you take them out of that context, they will be misleading.
I have been channeled as an Old soul and I keep my house clean, because I like it that way. Dirty house drags me down. Same with clutter. That being said I had periods in my life when you could not see my rooms floor and you would find some disgusting things in there (upto adolescence). When you live in your parents house and you know you are not solely responsible for its state, its very different than having your own place . I also (much later) had a period of a few months when I did things like cleaning tops of refrigerators. It did not last very long though.
I had a period in my life when I cleaned for company and I sometimes still might do that. More like put things away, if needed, than clean. But if just one person comes for a coffee and I happen to have a slightly messy kitchen, well as long as I am able to make a coffee, who cares?
So when they say that Old soul does not bother shoving anything away, the way I understand it, is that they are expressing "take me or leave me" attitude (but physical age and imprinting can mess with this).
I have been channeled as an Old soul and I keep my house clean, because I like it that way. Dirty house drags me down. Same with clutter. That being said I had periods in my life when you could not see my rooms floor and you would find some disgusting things in there (upto adolescence). When you live in your parents house and you know you are not solely responsible for its state, its very different than having your own place . I also (much later) had a period of a few months when I did things like cleaning tops of refrigerators. It did not last very long though.
I had a period in my life when I cleaned for company and I sometimes still might do that. More like put things away, if needed, than clean. But if just one person comes for a coffee and I happen to have a slightly messy kitchen, well as long as I am able to make a coffee, who cares?
So when they say that Old soul does not bother shoving anything away, the way I understand it, is that they are expressing "take me or leave me" attitude (but physical age and imprinting can mess with this).
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General Discussion / Re: My Michael Chart
« on: May 02, 2011, 10:40:13 AM »On the Yahoo list, Shepherd Hoodwin said someone's casting was channeled as 7-7-3. Using that method, what do the three numbers stand for and what would mine be?
Hi Drury,
this: http://www.itstime.com/mentity.htm
and this: http://summerjoy.com/michaelreading.html
would help. Since your chart was channeled by Shepherd, particularly look at the second link, which also explains how these castings would manifest and all sorts of things about his format of charts.
I understand that these numbers mean respectively,
1) the Essence's position in its Cadence (this is what people mean when they say "Casting" - this is primary casting - your chart info says "Cadence Position"
2) The Cadence's position within its Greater Cadence (secondary casting)
3) Greater Cadence number in its group of 7 Greater Cadences (teritiary casting)
Further it's important to understand that numbers 1 to 7 correspond to the seven Roles:
1 = Server
2 = Artisan
3 = Warrior
4 = Scholar
5 = Sage
6 = Priest
7 = King
So the casting 7-7-3 (which I believe was said to be Prince William's), is King-King-Warrior
Your own is 6-1-4 (Priest-Server-Scholar)
Jana
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Past Lives & Reincarnation / Re: Cycles, Ages & Levels
« on: May 01, 2011, 02:51:28 PM »At a certain point in your evolution, you decide what you want to specialize in. Most learn how to be guides, but some specialize in other things. Setting up lifetimes is one, exploring new planets to find pre-sentient species that would provide good hosts is another. I think he mentioned one more that I've forgotten, and there are probably others.John, can you share where this can be read? Is it a book?
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General Discussion / Re: My Michael Chart
« on: April 30, 2011, 06:09:28 PM »
One useful element in knowing one's Cadre number is seeing if you are in someone elses Entity or Cadre. Beyond that, I agree, can't see much use to it.
Drury, yes, the Entity numbers are meaningful and would be the same channel to channel. And I know exactly what you mean about checking your email 5-6 times a day
One way to see how heavily edited the Yarbro books are, is to look at the original transcripts which the group actually produced. Also by accounts of the actual members of that group. Not only it was highly fictionalised, but also things were made up entirely, apparently, such as the "Michael manifestation". That does not make MFM itself a dogma, it makes it a fiction-document hybrid, concerned with something like channeling which cannot be 100% accurate. To treat it or anything else as THE truth, is a dogma. There are MT related sites where large amounts of charts are published (done by various channels and presumably validated to some degree by the student). The 6 out of 7 (let alone all) thing does not validate against this data. Or most of these charts are wrong. However then its a probability of 1 channeling being right and many wrong versus one wrong/made up and large amount right. It's a matter of probability.
I cannot see this 6 out of 7 thing in the original transcripts (but i have not read them in their entirety yet).
Drury, yes, the Entity numbers are meaningful and would be the same channel to channel. And I know exactly what you mean about checking your email 5-6 times a day
Okay, this is a little confusing to me. You said you read that essence twins are of the same role. But you are channeled as a sage and your essence twin is a priest. I've seen others (including myself) who have essence twins with different roles. Can someone explain this to me?Betty, in More Messages from Michael, it was said that Essence Twins are of the same Role in 6 out of 7 cases. It was a whole Michael Math article. Mine was channeled as the same Role as me and so was my sister's, but the other 4 family members I had charts done for, have them channeled as different Role from themselves. Also looking at various published MT students' charts, I cannot see this 6 out of 7 thing happening.
One way to see how heavily edited the Yarbro books are, is to look at the original transcripts which the group actually produced. Also by accounts of the actual members of that group. Not only it was highly fictionalised, but also things were made up entirely, apparently, such as the "Michael manifestation". That does not make MFM itself a dogma, it makes it a fiction-document hybrid, concerned with something like channeling which cannot be 100% accurate. To treat it or anything else as THE truth, is a dogma. There are MT related sites where large amounts of charts are published (done by various channels and presumably validated to some degree by the student). The 6 out of 7 (let alone all) thing does not validate against this data. Or most of these charts are wrong. However then its a probability of 1 channeling being right and many wrong versus one wrong/made up and large amount right. It's a matter of probability.
I cannot see this 6 out of 7 thing in the original transcripts (but i have not read them in their entirety yet).
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General Discussion / Re: My Michael Chart
« on: April 28, 2011, 08:22:21 AM »
You must be very excited, Drury. I was when I received mine. One thing to bear in mind is that the cadre number 9 would correspond to cadre number 7 if it was channeled by someone else than Shepherd (in case you want to know whether you are someones entity mate for example etc).
It will most definitely take not only some study, but as I am only starting to see, a lots of experience, to understand the overleaf system in more depth (and I purposefully dont say fully). On the other hand, I think its easier to validate one's own chart than someone elses (that is on the whole, however, others who know you well and are familiar with the system might very well be able to help). There are certain things that in my experience are very easy to recognise (like Self-dep) and many many others that are not so clear. Have fun with it.
Yes, as Elisabeth told you, casting is Cadence position (6 = Priest). Whilst that is the primary casting, and what is normally referred to as such, your chart also says you are in Cadence 1 (that is secondary casting and 1 corresponds to Server) and Greater Cadence 4 (teritiary casting = Scholar). The Entity number is also a type of casting, and 7 corresponds to King.
Role is who you are and Casting is how you do that Role.
It will most definitely take not only some study, but as I am only starting to see, a lots of experience, to understand the overleaf system in more depth (and I purposefully dont say fully). On the other hand, I think its easier to validate one's own chart than someone elses (that is on the whole, however, others who know you well and are familiar with the system might very well be able to help). There are certain things that in my experience are very easy to recognise (like Self-dep) and many many others that are not so clear. Have fun with it.
Yes, as Elisabeth told you, casting is Cadence position (6 = Priest). Whilst that is the primary casting, and what is normally referred to as such, your chart also says you are in Cadence 1 (that is secondary casting and 1 corresponds to Server) and Greater Cadence 4 (teritiary casting = Scholar). The Entity number is also a type of casting, and 7 corresponds to King.
Role is who you are and Casting is how you do that Role.
Shephard's cadre numbering system is a little different. I think that's the 6th cadre in most other channels' numbering.I thought it was shifted by 2? However I may be missing something and recently in the discussion about cadre numbers, if I remember correctly, Shepherd said that cadre numbers are actually unreliable to translate from a channel to channel and the best you can hope for is to get consistent numbering through one channel, so not sure now.