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General => Spirituality => Topic started by: Wayne on April 22, 2011, 05:30:16 AM

Title: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Wayne on April 22, 2011, 05:30:16 AM
Okay I will start a thread in this underused category.

Do the Michael Teachings promote spiritual growth?

Thanks! 
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: John Roth on April 25, 2011, 12:23:40 AM
Okay I will start a thread in this underused category.

Do the Michael Teachings promote spiritual growth?

Thanks! 

Michael has been quite consistent in saying that they are not a spiritual path.

That said, anything that helps get through the false personality and enhance contact with Essence will promote spiritual growth.

HTH

John Roth
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Chiara DB on April 25, 2011, 02:36:55 AM
It's not the size of the wave but the motion of the ocean. Or, it all depends on how you choose to use it ;)
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: mtscholar on May 01, 2011, 11:41:59 PM
I recall that in one of the earlier Yarbro books, Michael says that they provided the Overleaves so that people will stop brooding about personal relationships and get on with the life task. Or something near to that. I like to think of them at times as brush-clearers. It's easier to let go of something someone did that you might not like or not understand if you can chalk it up to a certain configuration of Overleaves. That said, I find the teachings about essence contact and intimacy deeply spiritually invigorating. I guess it's hard to say that the teachings are simply one thing or another.
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Wayne on May 13, 2011, 07:38:37 AM
So you guys are saying there is no spiritual value in the teachings at all? I feel troubled by that.

Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: jk on May 13, 2011, 10:14:44 AM
Regardless of what is being said here, let me ask you this - how much do you know about the teachings and have you tried to apply them in any way? If so how did that work out for you? If not, why not start with that? I am trying to determine what exactly troubles you.
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: jk on May 13, 2011, 10:46:25 AM
My own understanding of this is that it is misunderstood. In MFM it says "WE ARE NOT THE PATH TO SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT.
WE OFFER A WAY TO HUMAN UNDERSTANDING BASED
ON OUR OWN EXPERIENCE...."

and

"WE ARE NOT THE PATH. WE ARE AN ANCIENT ENTITY
THAT COMES TO ALL WHO ASK. OUR PURPOSE IS TO
TEACH SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE EVOLUTION ON
THE PHYSICAL PLANE SO THAT THE STUDENT CAN
REACH SOME INSIGHT INTO HUMAN BEHAVIOR WHICH
WILL ENABLE HIM THEN TO STOP BROODING OVER
INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS OR THE LACK THEREOF
AND CONCENTRATE ON PERSONAL LIFE PLANS."

and

"IF ONE IS TO SEEK THE PATH TO SPIRITUAL
ENLIGHTENMENT ONE MUST FIRST BECOME AWARE IF
ONE’S OWN INNER HUMANNESS AND EXPLOIT THIS TO
ITS FULLEST. IF ONE IS TO SEEK THE HIGHEST TRUTH OF
ALL, ONE MUST FIRST BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT IS
FALSE — IN OTHER WORDS, THE LIES MUST BE TOLD
BEFORE THE TRUTH CAN BE SOUGHT. IN ORDER TO
UNDERSTAND, THERE MUST BE AGREEMENT ON ALL
LEVELS. LOVE IS THE TRUTH TOWARD WHICH WE ALL
ASPIRE. IN THIS WE INCLUDE OURSELVES AND OTHER
ENTITIES LIKE OURSELVES STILL SEEKING."

My personal interpretation of this is that the emphasis in the sentence "WE ARE NOT THE PATH TO SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT" is on the word "enlightenment", rather than "spiritual" or "path". I am not sure whether this is really a verbatim channeling or edited by Yarbro.
Elsewhere they say they wish to point out the difference between spiritual enlightenment and growth. And that they expect every single one of the members of the group to grow from the experience (presumably from the teaching?), but they do not expect anyone of them to achieve cosmic consciousness.

In other words, the way I understand this, is "all in good time" or "take it one step at a time, in the right order" or "you cannot run before you can walk".

Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Dave on May 13, 2011, 08:54:16 PM
I posted about this earlier but it was lost in the last server crash.

In short, I think Michael is saying that they are not a guru, a religious path, or anything resembling Buddhistic enlightenment. But it seems evident -- as far as I'm concerned -- that studying the teachings can lead to spiritual growth.

Learning to tolerate and accept the differences in ourselves and others is certainly growth inducing, and the act of eliminating chief features and staying in our positive poles is a direct link to raising consciousness, which is spiritual growth in a nutshell.

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Chiara DB on May 14, 2011, 12:07:28 AM
There is nothing that exists that doesn't have spiritual value. What other value is there?
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Dave on May 14, 2011, 03:48:11 AM
There is nothing that exists that doesn't have spiritual value. What other value is there?

I've found the value of a good nose hair clipper to be absolutely priceless -- especially for those unsightly silver hairs that stand out like tinsel on a Christmas tree.  :D

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Chiara DB on May 14, 2011, 05:38:44 AM
Well, there is that!  :P
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: bluelady on May 18, 2011, 04:02:12 PM
Hard to separate the human learning experience from soul development and not call it spiritual growth.   That said, I do see where the Michaels do not want to become a religion.    Let's face it, we are a social species and are not above accepting a form of mental slavery, in order to feel part of a group.

Is there a religion that does not demand total submission to it's beliefs??    The biggest problem is keeping the notion of life's magic and realizing it is purposeful.    Most people KNOW life is not  simply an accidental occurrance.   We should not need abject submission to fear in order to be worthy of our lives.   It seems most of us need to feel guilty about our shortcomings.    But heck, have we not tried to arrange our lives to learn all these pesky lessons ?? 
 
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: russell on May 25, 2011, 06:40:28 AM

Is there a religion that does not demand total submission to it's beliefs??    The biggest problem is keeping the notion of life's magic and realizing it is purposeful.    Most people KNOW life is not  simply an accidental occurrance.   We should not need abject submission to fear in order to be worthy of our lives.   It seems most of us need to feel guilty about our shortcomings.    But heck, have we not tried to arrange our lives to learn all these pesky lessons ?? 
 

If I could arrange my life to not learn so many pesky lessons I gladly would and not feel any guilt. My life has been hard. Would I trade it away? Hell no. I accept my life is not an accidental occurrence and agree that spiritual growth goes hand and hand with Michael.
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Chiara DB on May 25, 2011, 06:54:45 AM
If I could arrange my life to not learn so many pesky lessons I gladly would and not feel any guilt. My life has been hard. Would I trade it away? Hell no. I accept my life is not an accidental occurrence and agree that spiritual growth goes hand and hand with Michael.


I agree with this, all of it. I get really tired of always being forced to deal with my "stuff", while it seems most everyone else gets to run around, blissfully unaware that they are teeming with the same defense mechanisms and negative imprinting I feel obligated to drop. But I also know that this is something "I" wanted, and that there is something in me that won't let me just stop growing. So, I accept it, even though sometimes (like today) it really ticks me off.
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Nancy on May 25, 2011, 07:39:51 AM


Is there a religion that does not demand total submission to it's beliefs??    The biggest problem is keeping the notion of life's magic and realizing it is purposeful.    Most people KNOW life is not  simply an accidental occurrance.   We should not need abject submission to fear in order to be worthy of our lives.   It seems most of us need to feel guilty about our shortcomings.    But heck, have we not tried to arrange our lives to learn all these pesky lessons ?? 
 

I had this crisis myself.  I was raised Roman Catholic, yet my father was Greek Orthodox.  And the interesting thing, even as a child, was that I actually appreciated, as a teenager, that in the Greek Orthodox church the priests could marry and have families of their own....I think that may have been the same time that I begain to become really disillusioned with "organised religion".  Programming being what it is, there was no way I was able to walk away from the RCC whilst my mother and grandmother still walked around - lots of expectations there indeed.

When I was 32, both Mom and Nana were gone to the other side, and I found the Unitarian Universalist church.  I was totally scared to walk in there, thinking it would disrespect the family traditions, but I'm so glad the inner rebel nudged me to do just that.   How wonderful it was to be amongst a group of people, with different belief systems, different ideas but sharing in the common goal of tending to one another.   No Dogma, No Sin, No Hell.   Amazing concepts to someone raised RCC I can tell you.

So the answer is yes, there are places where one can have fellowship without having the man made constructs of control, fear and sin shoved down your throat.

Blessings
Nancy
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: jk on May 25, 2011, 09:20:20 AM
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it seems most everyone else gets to run around, blissfully unaware that they are teeming with the same defense mechanisms and negative imprinting I feel obligated to drop
When you look deeper, is it really blissful? Personally I want to drop them because they are painful.
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Chiara DB on May 25, 2011, 05:12:31 PM
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it seems most everyone else gets to run around, blissfully unaware that they are teeming with the same defense mechanisms and negative imprinting I feel obligated to drop
When you look deeper, is it really blissful? Personally I want to drop them because they are painful.

I was being half-facetious, but then again, you know about them enough to know they cause you pain and that you want to drop them, so you're not unaware at all!
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: John Roth on May 26, 2011, 12:46:10 AM


Is there a religion that does not demand total submission to it's beliefs??    The biggest problem is keeping the notion of life's magic and realizing it is purposeful.    Most people KNOW life is not  simply an accidental occurrance.   We should not need abject submission to fear in order to be worthy of our lives.   It seems most of us need to feel guilty about our shortcomings.    But heck, have we not tried to arrange our lives to learn all these pesky lessons ?? 
 

I had this crisis myself.  I was raised Roman Catholic, yet my father was Greek Orthodox.  And the interesting thing, even as a child, was that I actually appreciated, as a teenager, that in the Greek Orthodox church the priests could marry and have families of their own....I think that may have been the same time that I begain to become really disillusioned with "organised religion".  Programming being what it is, there was no way I was able to walk away from the RCC whilst my mother and grandmother still walked around - lots of expectations there indeed.

When I was 32, both Mom and Nana were gone to the other side, and I found the Unitarian Universalist church.  I was totally scared to walk in there, thinking it would disrespect the family traditions, but I'm so glad the inner rebel nudged me to do just that.   How wonderful it was to be amongst a group of people, with different belief systems, different ideas but sharing in the common goal of tending to one another.   No Dogma, No Sin, No Hell.   Amazing concepts to someone raised RCC I can tell you.

So the answer is yes, there are places where one can have fellowship without having the man made constructs of control, fear and sin shoved down your throat.

Blessings
Nancy

Welcome to another UU.

John Roth
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Nancy on May 26, 2011, 03:51:47 AM
OK, John, why does this not surprise me overmuch? 
I just hope you are having fun with it all (I am)

Blessings

Nancy ::)
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: mAmbessa on June 03, 2011, 03:11:38 AM
religion is strongly based on control and dominance, fed by the desire for establishing a kingdom and the need for power.

I served many years in that army. Heard this "God"...Had to do some things. Got through stuff i really didn't want to.


But now i find myself asking who i was serving....who was speaking? perhaps some clowns in the spirit realm trying to screw around with the humans? because sureley no God is insane enough to even think about the things that the Christ/father spoke of about judgment.

Love, and acceptance superceeded by personal justice and motive. slaving to establish a kingdom not of my own that would bind me.

my time there still haunts me

*yawn*
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Dave on June 03, 2011, 08:45:16 PM

I agree with this, all of it. I get really tired of always being forced to deal with my "stuff", while it seems most everyone else gets to run around, blissfully unaware that they are teeming with the same defense mechanisms and negative imprinting I feel obligated to drop. But I also know that this is something "I" wanted, and that there is something in me that won't let me just stop growing. So, I accept it, even though sometimes (like today) it really ticks me off.

We should create a board here where everyone posts their list of "stuff." I wonder if that would be therapeutic or similar to being pilloried in the town square? ;) 

Seriously, though, finding our stuff could be quite a project. Our CF will try to stuff it down, of course, but the act of just getting it on paper in private sounds like good work.

Best,
Dave
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: Mary Lou on June 04, 2011, 01:15:23 PM
  When my friend first introduced me to MT back last year,  I was taken by that fact that there was no one certain religious or spiritual belief being pushed.   the farther I read the more it made sense and that there would be less dualisation by it being this way.   this is what I was looking for.  I am tired of the duality of this faith or that faith.   I know how I spiritually feel at this present time.  my connection to what I see as the Divine.  and really do not need nor want to become quagmired in debates or trying to make mine fit into someone elses, if that makes sense?

Mary Lou
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: jk on June 04, 2011, 02:31:57 PM
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We should create a board here where everyone posts their list of "stuff." I wonder if that would be therapeutic or similar to being pilloried in the town square?
I am getting it on paper in private. Anytime I dislike anything about myself or anybody else, that is an indication of my "stuff". I think when you are aware of a particular "stuff", then it does not matter if you tell it to others (they can see it anyway). The only thing that matters is knowing it yourself.
Title: Re: Spiritual Growth & Michael
Post by: MeliaNamaste on June 07, 2011, 10:27:53 AM
I am a newbie on this forum and have read through all the posts on spiritual growth. From my perspective, the path of one's spiritual growth will depend on where one is in terms of soul ages and our stuff is all related to the nature of our overleaves. For me, a major breakthrough on my spiritual journey came with the understanding of soul ages. Prior to that I would get so frustrated that people I considered to be of intelligence could be so 'stupid' and not perceive what was so obvious to me. Looked at again, through the filter of understanding soul ages, I got a whole new perspective and was able to move past a great deal of my judgement. (Chief Negative Feature: Impatience) When I shared this perspective with some, I was accused of elitism, to which my reply was/is 'Is it elitism to look at a child and recognize its capacities?' The fact that we are older doesn't make us better. We are who we are and anything that helps us move past our false personalities is, I believe, part of our growth toward greater spirituality. In that way, I find the Michael teachings extremely helpful, while not setting up a structure that creates another denomination of anything faintly resembling religion. What I find particularly helpful is the languaging which mostly avoids the words that are loaded for others, so the discussion can take place without dogma. I appreciate that quality about this discussion.