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Beautiful, Ulla.

Two years after your initial post, Virtual Choir 4 has been released.

Concerning the teachings, I think discovering that I was an Old soul was the perfect antidote for the years I suffered from a painful lack of self-esteem. No longer would I feel the need to worry when my past lives out numbered the bristles in my toothbrush, or shy away in humiliation when someone asked me what my favorite soup was, and I innocently replied: "primordial."

Seriously though, the Michael teachings liberated me from relentlessly trying to pound that square peg into the round hole of my soul. I learned that it's OKAY to be eccentric and somewhat out of step with society, and although I occasionally worry about that birthmark on my forehead that suspiciously looks like the word "expired," I now know that my place in the world is both valued and unique. At least that's what it said on the back of the cereal box this morning!  ;D


So relate to everything you wrote here, Dave. Every bit of it.  I have never fit in with my overall extended family, and learned much later why that is--they are predominantly baby/young with a few mature souls.

Also regarding birth marks, I have the remnant of a bullet hole in my left side just below the ribs in line with the left kidney, and I've always been able to "feel" that kidney inside. It's been there as long as I can remember as a child.

General Discussion / Re: Why do we have ten fingers?
« on: October 10, 2013, 04:03:38 PM »
Such a funny thread, sorry I missed out when it was fresh.

Of course, if the OP was being serious and not silly, the answer is: because mammals have 5 digits per limb, and we are mammals. 

As a child I once asked my mom why our dog had a thumb way up in the middle of his leg. Her answer: because God made dogs that way.

A common ancestor mammal developed 5 digits per leg. Thumbs allowed humans to use tools. The rest is history.

General Discussion / Re: What Attracted You To The Michael Teachings?
« on: October 10, 2013, 03:55:37 PM »
I discovered this teaching three years ago at a point that I later learned was the end of my fourth internal monad, which is not surprising in retrospect. I'd been raised Protestant Christian and slowly moved away from dogma during the last decade until I'd come to a tipping point where I would rather adopt atheism than continue to go along with dogma. I'd accepted evolution, but could not accept oblivion.

It was while in this philosophical no-man's-land that I was spending the day with my wife and kids, and she remarked that our daughter is an old soul in a baby body (not philosophical, a turn of phrase). That was a light bulb moment, my eyes grew wide, and I went online. My first search result was, so I read everything the site had to offer. A couple days later, I purchased MFM. I was stunned by the information that so corresponded with my own worldview at that point in time.

General Discussion / Re: Practical Everyday Ways to Live the MT
« on: October 10, 2013, 03:31:21 PM »
Does anyone have any practical suggestions on how to live the MT on a day-to-day basis?  Or at least strive toward that goal?

For instance, is there any way to photograph yourself to see whether you are at your real age, or whether you are manifesting a younger age?  And, if so, how to manifest your true age when appropriate?

Or:  when I am dealing with someone whom I truly dislike, how do I turn that into a lesson of growth?

Or:  when I despair of ever making enough money, how do I accept the situation - or change it, as the case may be?

These are just a few examples; I'm sure there are a lot more that are even more pertinent to striving toward growth and agape.  My brain is tired right now, though.



Hi Betty,

I'm committing forum etiquette no-no by resurrecting a "necro" thread. But every thread here is a year or two old now, so that may deserve a pass. :)

Wanted to respond to your first question on how to live the MT daily. John made a great suggestion about paying attention to the reality around you, in order to begin to see how it reflects your thoughts. I had a hard time understanding this concept until I found a teacher who describes it extremely well. Look for "TheSpiritualCatalyst" on youtube. Her teaching might not be for everyone but a few of her lessons were what I needed at the right time, and that is exactly what you expect to happen, a teacher will come to you when you most need to learn.

A positive growth moment came for me when I figured out that intellectual was an ego issue for me, blocking my ability to connect with higher self consistently. I would get only brief glimpses from time to time, mostly in extreme emotional situations. I latched onto that, and explored higher emotional, and found my higher self smiling at me, so to speak. I had to stop reading books for most of the past year, and focus on feeling things. The Michael teaching is very intellectually stimulating so that was mostly out too. No more thinking about cadres, entities, numbers--it all became nonsense to me for a time. That opened me up to HS.

Next, I stopped THINKING so much. This naturally follows when you stop reading for a while. I went on an intellectual fast, which I consider FASTING every bit as useful as going without food. This not thinking so much got me to pay attention to the moment, not thinking of the past or future, or anything, just being here right now, feeling my body being alive. That feeling alive in the moment led to really quick higher self contact and the ability to effortlessly maintain it. 

Suggestions/Help / Re: Board organization
« on: October 10, 2013, 02:52:52 PM »
Secondly, not allowing users to edit their posts AT ALL, is a serious detriment to useful discussions. I tend to type pretty fast to get an idea written down and then post it, occasionally needing to edit some typos or add an addendum. Users should be able to edit a post for at least a few minutes, maybe a half hour. This will cut down on trivial replies, and allow someone to edit a comment they regret writing. I have my technical support forum set to allow edits for 1440 minutes (24 hours). (I'm also using SMF).

Suggestions/Help / Re: Board organization
« on: October 10, 2013, 02:48:25 PM »
(exaggerating of course)

Suggestions/Help / Re: Board organization
« on: October 10, 2013, 02:46:30 PM »
There seems to have been about... 5... posts in a year and a half. I tried your suggestion, John, by clicking the "show unread posts" and there were none. Hence, the structure of the forum comes up again. Excessive structure tends to reduce the number of useful discussions. If there are 100 board topics and 100 posts total on the forum, that's 1:1. It might be helpful to do away with most of the sub-boards. Just a suggestion. I seem to be the only one in the past year who has shown any interest here... Did I miss the memo? :)

Suggestions/Help / Anyone home?
« on: October 10, 2013, 02:42:04 PM »
This is a really good site with good organization of topics, so I don't understand where everyone went.. Let's get some discussions going here again! I've posted here off an on for the past year and never get a single reply from anyone... Not that I need replies but just illustrating how dead the forum is... It would be nice to talk about things going on.

I'd guess that most of us have had experiences like that when we shared the MT. I think it's always easier to spark interest than retain it, however. One obvious hitch is that once students get beyond the theoretical side of the MT they inevitably face the task of doing the inner work necessary to live the teachings. That's daunting for some, and they will either fall back to the theoretical or quit studying the material altogether.

I agree with all of these points.  I have not had any interest in sharing the teaching because I so loathe religious proselytizing. But, a loved one who lost a dear friend to cancer has been grieving for 2 years and could not overcome the grief. I slowly began introducing her to agape, of a 'God' who does not condemn sinners, that there was no original sin, and no eternal judgment. That we are here to learn, grow, find peace within, to be a better person. Ultimately, to learn unconditional love, the ability to love the unlovable. Over time, she has come to agree. I explained my belief that her dear friend is right here with us, any time you think of her, that is her saying hello. At one recent resurgence of grief, I gently suggested that I believe this is not a one-shot life, but that we eventually return to continue our path of learning to love the unlovable.

Soul Age / Re: Old Souls in a Young Soul World
« on: January 15, 2013, 09:38:38 PM »
This is a great discussion that ended too early... Apologies for the necropost.

I worked within the industry of my major for 8 years, then spent about 7 years doing fun/weird things for a living, and went back to the old work again--typical office environment. I have an MBA but have no desire to manage others, not even if it would open an opportunity to be a mentor. Instead, I keep to myself, as it's a very quiet, individualistic job, and have good relationships with fellow co-workers, where we do fun things together on certain days, go out to lunch often, and it's fairly low stress. Which suits me just fine.

But, I do have a tendency where the Sage will demand to be heard, and basically on Facebook, etc, no one "gets me" at all, not even remotely. They don't get my jokes, the innuendos, nothing, which can be fairly lonely at times, like living for years in a foreign country without properly learning the language and customs.  It's not for lack of trying, just somewhat hopeless. LOL! However, I will say, an interesting effect is that soul ages seem to reveal themselves very quickly in social media. The baby souls will rally around each other. Oh, I have some friends from childhood who are in a baby enclave, and they just don't get my religious humor, which is not meant to offend, it's just, maybe too layered, and they see only the literal, not the figurative.

One really obvious solution is to break contact with people who tend to grate with you. Sad but necessary. Baby and young souls have powerful egos who are intolerant of any foreign idea that threatens the status quo. Whereas, swapping jokes or stories with a stranger or old friend who happens to be mature/old, AND who is manifesting it, AND in 4th IM (that's a pretty significant factor), you won't run into that blowback. :)

Soul Age / Re: Old souls living a normal family life??
« on: January 15, 2013, 08:59:50 PM »
Are there old souls (actually manifesting old soul age) who are living a so called normal family life, married with kids etc, with a job to provide for the family and actually feeling happy that way.  I was wondering if I can be an old soul since I'm living that type of life and for now enjoying it or am I just not manifesting the old soul in me right now?



I am married to my TC, also 2nd Old, and we have 4 kids: 1 is 7th mature, the other 3 are much older than their parents, in fact--4th, 5th, and 7th.

Sorry for the necropost. :)

Suggestions/Help / Board organization
« on: February 03, 2012, 01:37:43 AM »
Hello! I'm glad to have been invited to this forum. Just a suggestion, after perusing the forum for a while. There are a LOT of top-level topics, so many in fact that it's kind of hard to navigate... too much distribution of topics, imo. Merging many of the topics into less specific boards with topical threads might make them more appealing to visitors. There are so many, honestly I don't know where to post. Keep up the good work!

Sage / Re: Positive & Negative Traits of Sage
« on: January 16, 2012, 05:40:55 AM »
Hello, fellow sages. I express through writing rather than speaking or performing. I find it helpful to direct an input at a target audience when writing and reviewing a chapter or article, and imagine how a person from that audience might receive it. It's important to be very specific. This works for technical material, but not for a broad audience. I've had a very hard time finishing a novel because I can't find the proper audience and either get too technical or too bland; the balance eludes me.

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