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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Drury on April 27, 2011, 08:47:23 PM
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I received my chart last night, done by Shepherd Hoodwin, and much faster than I expected! The following is what I wrote a few days ago, which disappeared when the server went down, and I didn’t replace it:
“Okay, after talking to forum people, reading this site, other sites, some of the Yahoo list, and a couple books, plus having some insights about myself, my best guess for Role is Sage, since I see it manifesting more than other Roles throughout much of my life. Maybe my Role will be something different and Sage is the Casting, so I'll see what my Michael Chart says. Thanks for helping, everyone! :)” It turns out I was right, which I was very happy to hear!
The following is what my chart says, and since I’ve spent 2-3 weeks researching Roles, I’m not sure what all the other categories mean. “The Michael Handbook,” by Jose Stevens, arrived a couple days ago so I skimmed ahead to get some clues. I can see already that it’s going to take some study to understand the chart fully. If anything looks weird in the chart, it’s likely that I didn’t understand what I was typing, so maybe someone can say something.
Role: Sage
Essence Twin: Priest, Discarnate
Cadence Position: 6
Cadence: 1
Greater Cadence: 4
Position Resonates With: Priest (“Honorary Priest”)
Cadre/Entity: 9/7, Love/Beauty Side
Task Companion: Sage, Discarnate
Male/Female Energy: 48/52
Frequency: 47
Previous Cycles: 10
Needs: Expansion, Adventure, Expression
Life Quadrant: Power
Goal: Dominance
Attitude: Spiritualist
Mode: Observation
Center: Intellectual, Moving Part
Chief Obstacle: Impatience
Body Type: Saturnian, Secondary Mercurial
Soul Age: 6th Level Mature
Manifesting: 3rd Level Mature
Of the categories I understand, the only one I'm not sure about is Frequency 47 - I wonder if it should be a little faster, but it’s hard to say. Parts of my life have always been high frequently, and others lower. Some categories, such as Cadence and Cadre, I’m taking as being accurate. I thought I might be 5th Entity and have a need for Freedom, but what shows up in the chart also fits. Overall, the chart is amazingly accurate with regard to every category I understand, and Soul Age and Manifesting Soul Age both explain exactly what’s been going on in my life. So I’m very pleased with Shepherd’s reading. It’s also given me a direction to go for my growth.
If anyone has comments on anything in the chart, please feel free to post!
Edit: What is Casting? Would that be Cadence Position, in my case 6/Priest?
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Awesome Drury! :)
Your casting would be Priest (also seeing as it mentioned you being an 'honorary priest', which means casting and essence twin are the same, so I'm sure you could feel/look doubly priesty at times. But sage is who you 'are').
I'm also at frequency 47. Not too slow, not too fast. People generally see me as a bit solid and calm, but definitely not slow or plodding, I can be ridiculously fast/efficient if I need to be and it's not manic bodily activity (just 'speedy'/assertive, my mind going a mile ahead of things, getting things done with fervor), but how I move through life with problems seems just a bit slower or not as rushing in experiences (compared to some people I know). My experiences are definitely intense and vibrant, humming, and have a lot of high emotional content and movement, but when I look back at my life through the highs and lows, it's always been more or less at the same pace. Sort of steady. I don't know if you notice that as well? Still trying to work frequency out myself, but in the big picture it doesn't seem to be as important as other things...
And hey, you're at 6th level mature too. :) That part made especially a lot of sense to me as well.
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6th level mature has been quite an experience! I'm working at going out of this life in better spiritual shape than I entered, but there's a lot of karma to deal with.
The reason I was confused about the 47 frequency is that in my personal life, when it's been my choice I move fast and keep my life full of experiences. But then I thought about work-related issues and I'm a different person there - more of a plodder, or at least it feels like it - so maybe when the two parts of me/my life are averaged, it would come out to be about the middle. I was actually expecting something in the 60s, taking only my personal life into account. I'm not particularly solid and calm, but then I have the Impatience and Power issues that could have me moving faster than my typical frequency.
Thanks for explaining about casting. :) I read this today: "The bond of 'Essence Twins' is the strongest possible for souls. They are of the same Role, in the same location in Casting in different Entities.... [Edit: This is open to question and was discussed below.] The second strongest soul bond is with the 'Task Companion'. Task Companions are in the same Entity, usually of opposite Roles...." I have the opposite, an Essence Twin of a different Role and a Task Companion of the same Role, something I'll try to figure out the meaning of at some point. I do seem to have a lot of Priest in my chart, but you're right, a Sage is who I am and who I feel the most like. The Priest part of me seems to support Sage.
Thanks, Elizabeth!
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The reason I was confused about the 47 frequency is that in my personal life, when it's been my choice I move fast and keep my life full of experiences. But then I thought about work-related issues and I'm a different person there - more of a plodder, or at least it feels like it - so maybe when the two parts of me/my life are averaged, it would come out to be about the middle. I was actually expecting something in the 60s, taking only my personal life into account. I'm not particularly solid and calm, but then I have the Impatience and Power issues that could have me moving faster than my typical frequency.
Frequency is fairly flexible: many people can shift up or down by as much as 20 percent depending on the circumstances.
Shephard's cadre numbering system is a little different. I think that's the 6th cadre in most other channels' numbering. I'm not entirely sure how to translate his cadence, etc. numbers to either casting order (TT) or raw number (JP). They may not be directly convertable.
HTH
John Roth
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Thanks for info, John - I didn't realize Shepherd's was different. I'll check into his system so I can learn it accurately. I don't want to end up in the wrong cadre, pounding on the doors and insisting they let me in. ;)
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You must be very excited, Drury. I was when I received mine. One thing to bear in mind is that the cadre number 9 would correspond to cadre number 7 if it was channeled by someone else than Shepherd (in case you want to know whether you are someones entity mate for example etc).
It will most definitely take not only some study, but as I am only starting to see, a lots of experience, to understand the overleaf system in more depth (and I purposefully dont say fully). On the other hand, I think its easier to validate one's own chart than someone elses (that is on the whole, however, others who know you well and are familiar with the system might very well be able to help). There are certain things that in my experience are very easy to recognise (like Self-dep) and many many others that are not so clear. Have fun with it.
Yes, as Elisabeth told you, casting is Cadence position (6 = Priest). Whilst that is the primary casting, and what is normally referred to as such, your chart also says you are in Cadence 1 (that is secondary casting and 1 corresponds to Server) and Greater Cadence 4 (teritiary casting = Scholar). The Entity number is also a type of casting, and 7 corresponds to King.
Role is who you are and Casting is how you do that Role.
Shephard's cadre numbering system is a little different. I think that's the 6th cadre in most other channels' numbering.
I thought it was shifted by 2? However I may be missing something and recently in the discussion about cadre numbers, if I remember correctly, Shepherd said that cadre numbers are actually unreliable to translate from a channel to channel and the best you can hope for is to get consistent numbering through one channel, so not sure now.
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You must be very excited, Drury. I was when I received mine. One thing to bear in mind is that the cadre number 9 would correspond to cadre number 7 if it was channeled by someone else than Shepher
Shephard's cadre numbering system is a little different. I think that's the 6th cadre in most other channels' numbering.
I thought it was shifted by 2? However I may be missing something and recently in the discussion about cadre numbers, if I remember correctly, Shepherd said that cadre numbers are actually unreliable to translate from a channel to channel and the best you can hope for is to get consistent numbering through one channel, so not sure now.
I can understand that, since the discrepancies are extremely confusing to most students, and the conversions don't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
The original system, and the one that is still used by many (most?) channels is based on first arrival: the first people channeled were given the number 1. When someone from another cadre showed up, it got the number 2. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Shephard's system is based on the order the first fragment of the entity showed up on the physical plane, as long as they were still incarnating. That's why it starts with three: there are still fragments from the other two entities incarnating, but they're not in the Teaching. The first few cadres have the same order in both systems, but then there's another gap, which is why I subtracted 3 instead of two. I may have the gap wrong, though.
The Energy Ring, Cadre nomenclature is one that J.P. uses, and it seems to have a couple of variations since different channels put the cadre containing the Michael entity in different energy rings.
At this late date, the only way I know of clearing up the confusion is to look at the cadre numbers for the same person given through different channels, and start making a table.
HTH
John Roth
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I received my chart last night, done by Shepherd Hoodwin, and much faster than I expected! The following is what I wrote a few days ago, which disappeared when the server went down, and I didn’t replace it:
Role: Sage
Essence Twin: Priest, Discarnate
Cadence Position: 6
Cadence: 1
Greater Cadence: 4
Position Resonates With: Priest (“Honorary Priest”)
Cadre/Entity: 9/7, Love/Beauty Side
Task Companion: Sage, Discarnate
Male/Female Energy: 48/52
Frequency: 47
Previous Cycles: 10
Needs: Expansion, Adventure, Expression
Life Quadrant: Power
Goal: Dominance
Attitude: Spiritualist
Mode: Observation
Center: Intellectual, Moving Part
Chief Obstacle: Impatience
Body Type: Saturnian, Secondary Mercurial
Soul Age: 6th Level Mature
Manifesting: 3rd Level Mature
I'm excited that you got your chart, Drury. :-)
I knew you would either be Priest/Sage or Sage/Priest. I just couldn't figure out how to arrange the order, and with your honorary Priest designation, I can see why it was elusive. Add spiritualist to the mix, which is a Priest overleaf, and you have some strong Priest backlighting behind your role of sage.
In many respects, the cadre number is the least interesting part of the chart. It has little to do with how you apply your chart information toward understanding yourself and others, nor will it help you on your path to agape. Not to mention, it is absolutely impossible to validate.
Shepherd was actually the first to even channel about the larger cadre groups and the first to write about them in a book. Many channels were not even using them on their charts at the time, which means the so-called original or classic numbering is a bit of a misnomer. Much of the controversy around this subject has largely been drummed up by one person who has almost turned this topic into a form of propaganda. It's a lot of noise about something that really doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme, and will probably have zero relevance a hundred years from now when our understanding of this system has changed and we've reassigned a new numbering system to it all.
Best,
Dave
P.S. - All of these chart terms are discussed on various pages at the main MT site. Frequency, for example, is here:
http://www.michaelteachings.com/frequency.html
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I’m not going to answer everyone individually because there’s so much information. I really appreciate it! Anything to help clarify my chart and the Michael Teachings in general is of great interest to me. One question I have is whether Shepherd’s Entity number is the same as other channelers’, as in, am I a 7th Entity in pretty much everyone’s system? Cadre, Cadence, etc. - it’s all of interest to me, though it’s true, there is no way to verify. It’s interesting and a little comforting that MT agrees so well with Michael Newton’s books, and when Robert A. Monroe was talking about the larger entities he stumbled upon at one point.
Thanks for the link, Dave! I’d come across that info at one point and then couldn’t remember where I’d seen it. I’m using your site and The Michael Handbook as my two main resources.
It is *very* exciting to receive my chart. Having Impatience as my Chief Obstacle, I was checking my e-mail 5-6 times a day and counting down the days and bugging my husband with, “I wonder when I’ll get it?” so my husband is grateful to Shepherd for being so fast. ;) In fact my husband was so impressed with the accuracy that he’s having his chart done, too. We were especially impressed with the 48/52 male/female energy, since I get excited like a female, I post like a female and the pictures I sent to Shepherd look female, yet inside I’m very close to center and the way I think is a little more male.
I came across some charts and did my best to sort out who I am overall. I might have made some mistakes, but this is what I came up with:
Server: 0
Artisan: 2
Warrior: 0
Scholar: 2
Sage: 1
Priest: 5
King: 3
Rounded:
Ordinal: 2 (15%)
Cardinal: 9 (69%)
Neutral: 2 (15%)
Trap, Family Imprinting, Other Imprinting, Global Job and Family Block weren’t channeled, so I couldn’t add those to the results. My guess is that my Family Imprinting was Server, and there was no space for either Sage Task Companion or Power as Life Quadrant and I’m not sure what Role it is, but one site said it was King. If so, then I’d be adding one more Ordinal and possibly two more Cardinals. It’s no wonder that Dave and Chiara saw Priest in me as well as Sage, since I do have quite a bit of Priest this lifetime. One of my main life regrets is that I’ve been so busy with personal karma that I haven’t been able to express Priest nearly as much as I’ve wanted to, in particular within a career setting.
Thanks everyone, for your comments and info - as I said earlier, they're much appreciated! :)
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Okay, this is a little confusing to me. You said you read that essence twins are of the same role. But you are channeled as a sage and your essence twin is a priest. I've seen others (including myself) who have essence twins with different roles. Can someone explain this to me?
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One question I have is whether Shepherd’s Entity number is the same as other channelers’, as in, am I a 7th Entity in pretty much everyone’s system? Cadre, Cadence, etc. - it’s all of interest to me, though it’s true, there is no way to verify.
Entity number within cadre should be the same from all channels.
HTH
John Roth
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Okay, this is a little confusing to me. You said you read that essence twins are of the same role. But you are channeled as a sage and your essence twin is a priest. I've seen others (including myself) who have essence twins with different roles. Can someone explain this to me?
Essence twins are very seldom of the same role. I'm sure there are some that are, but I can't think of a case offhand.
HTH
John Roth
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Okay, this is a little confusing to me. You said you read that essence twins are of the same role. But you are channeled as a sage and your essence twin is a priest. I've seen others (including myself) who have essence twins with different roles. Can someone explain this to me?
Essence twins are very seldom of the same role. I'm sure there are some that are, but I can't think of a case offhand.
HTH
John Roth
Thanks re Entity number info. :) The info on Essence Twins was on this website.
http://www.michaelteachings.com/casting_wittmeyer.html
Since you, Betty and I have had different experiences, then I'll go by that instead.
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Some of the stuff from the Chelsea Quinn Yarbro books has been shown to be inaccurate, such as that Essence Twins have the same role, or that Old Souls are so laid back and uninterested in the physical plane that they are often homeless people, stuff like that.
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Hey Drury!
This comes up for me so seldom that I had to look it up in "The Journey of Your Soul." Cadre 9 through me is in the 9th position of its cadre group (energy ring), making up for two cycled off cadres in the group. I have no idea what it would be called through various other channels. Here's my celebrity list for Cadre 9 (all my own channeling):
9/1: Todd Palin.
9/2: Jim Jones, Janis Joplin, Nebuchadnezzar, Aidan Quinn, Barbra Streisand, Maria von Trapp.
9/3: Ty Pennington.
9/4: David Attenborough.
9/5: Joanna Cassidy, Jiddu Krishnamurti.
9/6: Anastasia of Siberia.
9/7: Kofi Annan, Willem Dafoe, Drunvalo Melchizedek.
Perhaps another channel would have an opinion about what cadre this is in the system used through them.
Yes, entity numbers do not change--it's one out of seven, always.
My essence twin is of the same role as me, sage. My sense is that it's common for sparks with fewer previous cycles to also have same-role ETs, and that's what Yarbro got as the rule, but more experienced sparks may mix it up. On the other hand, she, at one point, says that task companions are always of different roles, and I consistently get exceptions to that. Yarbro is bigger on "always" and "never" than I am, and some of her dictates contradict unpublished transcripts.
Frequency is more the "feel" of the soul. Essence role also has frequency, and sage is middle, but priest is high, so you list higher role-wise. Body type, centering, chief obstacle, etc. have more influence on your movements.
Best,
Shepherd
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Thanks, Shepherd! This MT info has entirely gripped me and I already know it won’t let me go until I learn all I can about it. Both personality typing and spirituality have been passions of mine. I own dozens of personality typing books and have read even more on spirituality over the years, and MT combines my two interests better than any method I’ve found.
I didn’t say why I chose you to do my chart, but after reading multiple articles written by you, we seem to have many of the same viewpoints, you’ve been studying Michael for a long time, and I like the clarity of your writing, and clarity is a characteristic important to me.
Thanks for explaining Frequency, so I’m not confusing it with Role or this-lifetime characteristics.
This is what I read regarding 7th Entity: “Though, don't expect to find them on a peace march, or saving the whales. The 7th entity would rather serve others in a more intimate way.” That’s me, and though I don’t see myself as a Server, I do act like one at times when it comes to helping people with psychological or spiritual issues. But William Dafoe? I’m holding out for Keanu. ;)
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Some of the stuff from the Chelsea Quinn Yarbro books has been shown to be inaccurate, such as that Essence Twins have the same role, or that Old Souls are so laid back and uninterested in the physical plane that they are often homeless people, stuff like that.
Chiara, I'm sorry I missed your post, but at least this extra one will almost flip me into Jr. Member. :D
After reading what you said, I'm glad I decided to read The Michael Handbook first. You know that I ordered Tao to Earth after you told me about it? It should have shown up today but the used bookseller sent me the wrong book. But that's okay, since I have two Michael books to read before that one, plus I now have my Role sorted out. :) I'm going to e-mail Shepherd tonight and see if he's available to send his book, also.
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Chiara, you said "Some of the stuff from the Chelsea Quinn Yarbro books has been shown to be inaccurate, such as that Essence Twins have the same role, or that Old Souls are so laid back and uninterested in the physical plane that they are often homeless people, stuff like that."
How and by whom was it shown to be inaccurate?
John Roth, you said that "Essence twins are very seldom of the same role." This directly contradicts MFM; where do you get that information?
thanks
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Betty, by subsequent channelings by various channels that evidenced an overwhelming preponderence of ETs of different roles and Old Souls who worked at jobs, lived in houses, and had enough money to buy a channeling ;)
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Chiara, you said "Some of the stuff from the Chelsea Quinn Yarbro books has been shown to be inaccurate, such as that Essence Twins have the same role, or that Old Souls are so laid back and uninterested in the physical plane that they are often homeless people, stuff like that."
How and by whom was it shown to be inaccurate?
John Roth, you said that "Essence twins are very seldom of the same role." This directly contradicts MFM; where do you get that information?
thanks
From looking at lots of channeled charts. In channeled charts, Essence twins are very seldom of the same role. Experience trumps dogma every time.
HTH
John Roth
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Quote from John Roth:
"From looking at lots of channeled charts. In channeled charts, Essence twins are very seldom of the same role. Experience trumps dogma every time."
Just to play devil's advocate here: what you are really saying is that the "lots of channeled charts" are experience, and the MFM channeling is dogma.
In other words, you (and others) have made a choice on what to believe. That's fine, but calling the original channeling dogma is a little too much, I think.
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Betty, it's only dogma if it's used that way. Pointing out that people's experience directly contradicts something that was once written down in a book, and demanding an explanation for how that could be suggests you are using it as a dogma. I'm not saying you are doing that, but reading your post, it would be easy to take that away from what you wrote.
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Quote from John Roth:
"From looking at lots of channeled charts. In channeled charts, Essence twins are very seldom of the same role. Experience trumps dogma every time."
Just to play devil's advocate here: what you are really saying is that the "lots of channeled charts" are experience, and the MFM channeling is dogma.
In other words, you (and others) have made a choice on what to believe. That's fine, but calling the original channeling dogma is a little too much, I think.
See Chiara's comment.
One of the core concepts in the MT is validation.
I tend to be a bit of a stickler for proper terminology. The term "Devil's Advocate" comes from the Catholic church, where it's a specific role in the process of canonizing a saint. The role is to find flaws in the evidence produced for sainthood. If you're going to play devil's advocate with my statement that experience of channeled charts shows that essence twins are seldom of the same role, you need to provide a representative sample (not a cherry-picked sample) of charts that show that I'm wrong.
You don't need to use the term. Just produce the evidence.
Otherwise you're canonizing a book. That's dogma.
John Roth
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Chiara, I'm just trying to validate. A lot of your posts could be taken the wrong way, too.
John, I'm not a stickler for proper terminology, so I'm not going to get into semantics game with you. That's your thing, not mine. Although you haven't produced any evidence, either--a "lot" of channeling experience is hardly definitive either way any more than my "cherry-picked" example.
I was just trying to understand why the original channeling was declared inaccurate. However, I will drop it rather than get into an argument with the both of you, who seem to be sure that you are correct and I am wrong.
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Okay, Betty, you're right. ETs are all the same role.
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One useful element in knowing one's Cadre number is seeing if you are in someone elses Entity or Cadre. Beyond that, I agree, can't see much use to it.
Drury, yes, the Entity numbers are meaningful and would be the same channel to channel. And I know exactly what you mean about checking your email 5-6 times a day :)
Okay, this is a little confusing to me. You said you read that essence twins are of the same role. But you are channeled as a sage and your essence twin is a priest. I've seen others (including myself) who have essence twins with different roles. Can someone explain this to me?
Betty, in More Messages from Michael, it was said that Essence Twins are of the same Role in 6 out of 7 cases. It was a whole Michael Math article. Mine was channeled as the same Role as me and so was my sister's, but the other 4 family members I had charts done for, have them channeled as different Role from themselves. Also looking at various published MT students' charts, I cannot see this 6 out of 7 thing happening.
One way to see how heavily edited the Yarbro books are, is to look at the original transcripts which the group actually produced. Also by accounts of the actual members of that group. Not only it was highly fictionalised, but also things were made up entirely, apparently, such as the "Michael manifestation". That does not make MFM itself a dogma, it makes it a fiction-document hybrid, concerned with something like channeling which cannot be 100% accurate. To treat it or anything else as THE truth, is a dogma. There are MT related sites where large amounts of charts are published (done by various channels and presumably validated to some degree by the student). The 6 out of 7 (let alone all) thing does not validate against this data. Or most of these charts are wrong. However then its a probability of 1 channeling being right and many wrong versus one wrong/made up and large amount right. It's a matter of probability.
I cannot see this 6 out of 7 thing in the original transcripts (but i have not read them in their entirety yet).
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Thank you for actually discussing my question, instead of flat-out telling me I'm wrong and accusing me of dogma.
One thing I would like to point out if that I never said MFM was right and everybody else was wrong. I simply asked where they got their information. Validating was all I was trying to do--of both MFM and "other channels". Instead I got accused of dogma. Although I fail to understand how questioning leads to dogma.
Boy, just asking questions here can get one attacked! And thank you, Chiara, for the sarcastic reply. I will endeavor to remember that one should not question the knowledge or sources of certain people.
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You're welcome Betty -- I'm glad we finally understand each other ;)
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I'm editing this because my comment is out of date. However, I am using this post to bump myself to Jr. Member. ;)
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You know, I didn't want to continue this, but I have to say that jk just told you exactly what I told you, minus the background information on the Yarbro books. I did explain that since that book, hundreds of charts have been channeled showing an overwhelming preponderence of different-roled ETs, and you rejected that, saying that I merely "made a choice on what to believe." Yes -- I choose to believe the evidence before my eyes rather than one single printed source from 35 years ago. Getting hung up on that one source is what is called "dogma." You obviously don't like that word and take offense to it, and I do wish John had not even used it, because you fixated on it to the exclusion of everything else.
But in any case, I don't know what to say someone who responds to the evidence I present with "well you just made a choice on what to believe" and "you're just saying I'm wrong." Because of that, I did make a sarcastic post out of frustration, and I probably shouldn't have done that. But the fact is, I didn't say you personally were wrong, and I didn't neglect to explain or expect you to take my word for it -- I explained very clearly why I said what I said. And I resent you implying that I did anything other than that, or that I attacked you in any way. It's untrue, and it's unfair.
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Although you haven't produced any evidence, either--a "lot" of channeling experience is hardly definitive either way any more than my "cherry-picked" example.
All I was saying is that, over the approximately 30 years I've been a student of the MT, I've looked at a lot of charts. You, too can look at a lot of charts; there's no reason to take my word for it, or anyone's word for it. There are, for example, several data bases of channeled charts. There is, for example, the celebrity overleaves table at the MT site. Not all of them have the ET recorded, but of the first ten I scanned that did have an ET recorded, NONE of them had the same role.
I think that probably says something or other.
HTH
John Roth
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What does HTH stand for?
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Drury, yes, the Entity numbers are meaningful and would be the same channel to channel. And I know exactly what you mean about checking your email 5-6 times a day :)
I'm glad to hear that, since the 5th and 7th Entities are the only ones I resonate with.
I have a good excuse for frequent checking of e-mail - impatience is my Chief Obstacle. :D Impatience started coming up very strongly for me a few years ago and I've wondered, "What the heck?" It's not like my life is so crammed full of things to do that impatience is understandable. Maybe when it's time to be dealt with it's going to manifest, no matter what the life is like. Now I'm waiting for my husband's chart, and yep, I'm checking e-mail a lot. ;) I'm not quite as impatient as with my chart, which I'd hoped would answer some years-long questions (which it did!). I'm more on the curious side with his - what he's like with regard to MT and how it relates to our interactions.
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Thank you for actually discussing my question, instead of flat-out telling me I'm wrong and accusing me of dogma.
One thing I would like to point out if that I never said MFM was right and everybody else was wrong. I simply asked where they got their information. Validating was all I was trying to do--of both MFM and "other channels". Instead I got accused of dogma. Although I fail to understand how questioning leads to dogma.
Boy, just asking questions here can get one attacked!
Betty,
I am sensing an adversarial tone in your posts, which isn't the focus of this forum. People are not attacking you here, but their opinions do differ from yours, and a difference of opinion is normal behavior on any forum. In the interest of civility, please monitor the overall tone of your comments and watch for language that's reactionary and likely to create conflict. I would prefer to keep a hands-off style of moderation, but if forced, I will remove all posts that seem adversarial.
Thanks,
Dave
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On the Yahoo list, Shepherd Hoodwin said someone's casting was channeled as 7-7-3. Using that method, what do the three numbers stand for and what would mine be?
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What does HTH stand for?
Hope This Helps
John Roth
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Oh, okay :D
I like that
thanks
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On the Yahoo list, Shepherd Hoodwin said someone's casting was channeled as 7-7-3. Using that method, what do the three numbers stand for and what would mine be?
Hi Drury,
this: http://www.itstime.com/mentity.htm
and this: http://summerjoy.com/michaelreading.html
would help. Since your chart was channeled by Shepherd, particularly look at the second link, which also explains how these castings would manifest and all sorts of things about his format of charts.
I understand that these numbers mean respectively,
1) the Essence's position in its Cadence (this is what people mean when they say "Casting" - this is primary casting - your chart info says "Cadence Position"
2) The Cadence's position within its Greater Cadence (secondary casting)
3) Greater Cadence number in its group of 7 Greater Cadences (teritiary casting)
Further it's important to understand that numbers 1 to 7 correspond to the seven Roles:
1 = Server
2 = Artisan
3 = Warrior
4 = Scholar
5 = Sage
6 = Priest
7 = King
So the casting 7-7-3 (which I believe was said to be Prince William's), is King-King-Warrior
Your own is 6-1-4 (Priest-Server-Scholar)
Jana
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Jana,
I just went back to page 1 of this thread and realized you'd already given me the same numbers, but I didn't realize those were the numbers people were putting together in the x-x-x format. Those links are also helping quite a bit. Thank you for all the info! :)
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This joke is from Dave’s blog: http://dementedplane.blogspot.com/
What do you call it when a sage has nothing to say?
CONCLUSIVE PROOF THAT YOU'VE GONE DEAF.
Though I'm not a non-stop talker, I showed the joke to my husband and he could totally identify. ;) I realized a while back that unless I've talked over with someone an idea I've had or what I've physically experienced or emotionally felt, the experience or thought isn't as real as it could be, and definitely isn't complete. My husband jokingly complained that I can't just tell him while he's sleeping, he has to be awake so it can be put into his brain and he's acknowledged it. I’ve found that most of my important insights come when I’m talking things over with someone. My thoughts can be a tangled mess, but when I discuss them with someone else it’s as if once they get communicated, either spoken or written, they straighten themselves out and it becomes easier to see the heart of the matter.
The following is from an article written by Shepherd: http://www.michaelteachings.com/inputs.html
“Ed Hamerstrom suggested that...the three inputs of sages relate to 1) current reality (the setting or basic situation), 2) what is being expressed, and 3) the audience. Michael said that that is a valid way of looking at their inputs.”
Since I’m new to the teachings, I’m not sure, but I’m wondering if it’s this way for Sages in general, that the input of needing an audience is partly for the purposes of detangling their thoughts, gaining insights, and making things more real, almost like a grounding. My husband (not sure of his role yet, but he’s not a Sage) needs time to think things through and come to conclusions by himself, and I need outward communication to get to the same place.
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I am not a Sage, but I am an Artisan, Sage cast. When someone talks about a need for audience, I can relate. Examples I get satisfaction from:
- Singing a song in a way it makes someone cry or strongly relate to their own experience (puts them and you in Higher Emotional Centre)
- Expressing something you know in a way that makes it click for someone else - relaying knowledge
- Being a teacher and seeing your pupil blossoming
The thing with important insights coming when discussing something with someone, is not Sage only quality. It is what you are describing - the act of expressing them - you try to make it clear to someone else, and in the process you make it clear to yourself. I see it all the time between me and my colleagues. We are software developers so there is lot of problem solving going on. But in such case I don't perceive the other person as an audience, even though - why not. I would not say I solely solve things this way. There are definitely steps in the process where I want to take it away and mull over it alone. And then perhaps come back together again and reshape it again.
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Thanks, Jana! You also covered the other side, what it can be like for others with regard to expressiveness, and you’re right, it’s not only a Sage quality. Finding my best gift in order to help others is the main reason I requested a chart. After receiving the chart, in hindsight it’s now clear that I live to sort out ideas for myself and share them with people when I think it might help them with their lives, plus I love to help people have fun and make them laugh. New ideas and insights give me a high, as does helping others gain insights about themselves and their lives.
My husband and I are so different when it comes to communication needs and I was curious as to what other people, and Sages in particular, experience inwardly when it comes to understanding and expression. My husband has said talking doesn’t usually help him much, that he needs to mull things over. My guess is that it does help him more than he realizes, but I’m not positive. I seem to be at the opposite end, where I need to talk over the majority of what I’ve experienced in order to sort it out.
Until about 3 years ago I hadn’t spent much time looking at my own or others’ personalities and more or less divided the inward state of people into spiritual and earthly. When I came across personality typing, it was like a miracle, finally understanding others’ needs and how they view and thus interact with the world. I still have a fascination with people’s inward differences. When I first came across Myers-Briggs on the Internet and read that extroverts sometimes need to talk out loud in order to understand what they’re thinking, I thought I was an introvert and that it was kind of strange to have to talk to understand. A couple months down the road and with more study, I realized I'm an extrovert, which I hadn’t seen at first because of lifelong habits of viewing myself in certain ways, and I was shocked to realize I also needed to talk in order to understand. My husband still teases me about it. :D Since, according to Myers-Briggs, not all extroverts need to talk in order to know what they’re thinking, I was curious as to whether it was mainly a Sage phenomenon, if other roles experience the same need on a regular basis, or if it’s not divided by role.
This is one of the definitions I came across for “audience”: “opportunity to be heard; chance to speak to or before a person or group.” So when you're speaking and other developers are listening, they could be considered your audience. My husband is a system architect/developer and I’ve heard so much about it over the years that I consider myself an honorary IT person. :D
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What would be considered someone's secondary influence, ET or Cadence Position? Mine are the same, but sometimes I'll see a person's type referred to as King/Artisan, for example, and I'm not sure what the second is referring to. On this site, it seems to mean the ET, and I was wondering if that's universal:
http://www.michaelteachings.com/roles_king_artisan.html
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Hehe, that's me at the very bottom. ;)
I can't say what is secondary influence, but usually I would think it'd be casting as that's how one is more likely to appear on an everyday basis (or, it's how you 'do' your role...). But my artisan ET influence is pretty strong as it's discarnate. You can definitely see it at play, and I was in a creative field in university and enjoy lots of creative activities. Daily, I'm more likely to be doing scholarly whatevers, searching out information, it's very habitual and just something I do easily. But I really enjoy myself when I'm creating, it often feels like an intense and visceral 'gift'/energy that I'm channeling from somewhere, yet is also a part of me. My artisan ET also definitely shows up in my appearance more than scholar does (clothes, hairstyles, general creative flamboyance, colors... )... though I can look 'nerdy'. But am more likely to look like a bookish artist. ;)
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I think why the role is put with the ET on the role photos page is that ET bleedthrough (when discarnate) is likely to be more apparent in one's appearance than one's casting is... but I'll let Dave answer that one more fully...
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Okay, this is a little confusing to me. You said you read that essence twins are of the same role. But you are channeled as a sage and your essence twin is a priest. I've seen others (including myself) who have essence twins with different roles. Can someone explain this to me?
Essence twins are very seldom of the same role. I'm sure there are some that are, but I can't think of a case offhand.
HTH
John Roth
Mine is!
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I think why the role is put with the ET on the role photos page is that ET bleedthrough (when discarnate) is likely to be more apparent in one's appearance than one's casting is... but I'll let Dave answer that one more fully...
Thanks for your explanation, Elisabeth, and I'll take this as an answer unless I hear otherwise. :)
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I think why the role is put with the ET on the role photos page is that ET bleedthrough (when discarnate) is likely to be more apparent in one's appearance than one's casting is... but I'll let Dave answer that one more fully...
In addition, it was easier to categorize on the page.
The role and ET are either sides of the same coin, so it always made sense to join them together in discussions, like Artisan/Scholar, Sage/Priest, King/Artisan, etc. The casting is present throughout and doesn't have that dual nature.
There are some camps, however, that designate role/casting, primarily because at one time it was believed that 6 out of 7 times your role and ET would be the same. Thinking on this changed when it was noted that older souls or souls with a high number of grand cycles were choosing ETs of different roles to add greater variety to their incarnations. In other words, as essence becomes more sophisticated it apparently likes to mix things up.
Best,
Dave
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Thanks Dave. :) I've been told that I'm complex, but definitely not sophisticated. :D
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Drury wrote:
"This is what I read regarding 7th Entity: “Though, don't expect to find them on a peace march, or saving the whales. The 7th entity would rather serve others in a more intimate way.” That’s me, and though I don’t see myself as a Server, I do act like one at times when it comes to helping people with psychological or spiritual issues. But William Dafoe? I’m holding out for Keanu."
Hey, Drury. I'm in cadre 1/entity 7. Here is more info on entity7 (though, I don't know if we are in the same cadre due to the different cadre/entity "maps" that channels use):
<NichSweeney> Could you describe Cadre 1/Entity 7? Our themes, traits & areas of interest? How we are currently manifesting?
<MEntity> On a "technical" level, we can describe your Entity 7 as having 1177 fragments, 745 cycled off, 432 incarnating, and 327 currently in Physical form. Of those 327, 177 of you are working through multiple bodies (concurrents).
<MEntity> Your entity is comprised primarily of Servers and Priest, giving this entity a "flavor" that has prompted many students to refer to this entity as "the sweetheart entity."
<MEntity> Despite the predominance of Servers and Priests, this entity actually has representatives of every Role.
<MEntity> Cadre 2, Entity 7 is where most of the fragments from Cadre 1, Entity 7 are twinned, making Cadre 2, Entity 7 your Entity Twin.
<MEntity> Most entity 7's are twinned with other Entity 7's, which is how Cadres are merged in higher planes.
<MEntity> All Entity 7s have a positive pole of Inculcation and a negative pole of Ecclecticism.
<MEntity> The difference between those poles is the difference between a comprehensive method for teaching and learning vs a random, scattered, piece-meal method.
<MEntity> The difference between completion of an interest and study or experience vs a distraction for the next "exciting" or popular or enticing draw.
<MEntity> In the case with your Entity, there is a strong theme of HEALING. Every fragment from your Entity is exploring all concepts and experiences regarding Healing, across the entire spectrum of self-healing to mass healing.
<MEntity> Because of the combination of Inculcation/Ecclecticism and Healing, most from this entity tend to be extremely self-conscious, fully aware of their presence in the eyes of others, with behaviors monitored, measured, valued, etc. often to the point of distraction.
<MEntity> There tends to be a strong rejection or a strong sensitivity to the feelings of others, either blocking them entirely and shunning the chaotic world of feelings, or fully sensitive to a point that makes it "important" to regard all feelings with respect.
<MEntity> Most relationships for those who come from this entity will always have a baseline that asks, "what is most necessary for the healing of this person?"
<MEntity> This can tend to create imbalances in relationships for the fragments of this entity as this can lead to a constant sense of needing to rescue, provide, nurture, etc. and this can leave the fragment feeling that love flows FROM but not TO the self.
<MEntity> Even when these fragments do not choose to be in these positions, they tend to find others turning to them for that very thing.
<MEntity> There is an irresistability to the fragments of this entity, a charm and magnetism, that draws others to them, even if that entity 7 member is in the negative poles.
<MEntity> Even the most arrogant and angry members of entity 7 can tend to find others doing their best to accommodate them, be close to them, embrace them.
<MEntity> We believe this is a fair enough look at entity 7 without further questioning.
Channeled by Troy Tolley
Blessings,
Nicholas
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It's not the same entity. Drury is in a different cadre.
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Hi Nicholas - that's fascinating info! I'd love to have a channeling on my cadre/entity. If anyone comes across a cadre 9/entity 7, please let me know. :)