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The Seven Roles => The Roles (or Soul Types) => Topic started by: Drury on April 15, 2011, 07:42:49 PM
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Hi! I've been reading "7 Personality Types," by Elizabeth Puttick, and the Michael Teachings were mentioned so I googled and found this website. After reading through part of this site (which is extensive and great! btw) and jumping ahead in the book, I've decided either I'm a goofy Scholar or an expressive but shy and not always wanting to be center of attention Sage. I live for insights, ideas, knowledge and hanging out in nature (for excitement over plants, animals and backcountry sports, not as much for peace), and I pretty much don't ever like being alone, though I'm somewhat in the middle of introvert and extrovert when it comes to talking to people, partly because I'm so alternative it's hard to find people with my interests and values and partly because of the shyness. To cover both eventualities, I found an AV that expresses both Roles. :D
So do most people get a channeling in order to sort out their Role? I'm a little hesitant to just pick one, in case it's wrong.
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It's usually best to get a channeling because the interactions between the Role, casting order, the overleaves and imprinting can be quite complex. Some of us could probably make a guess from talking to you in the chat room, but the MT chat room is currently moribund. I'm the only one who hangs out there consistently at the specified times, and since I do other things I don't always notice if someone else shows up.
HTH
John Roth
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Thanks, I'll do that! Any recommendations as to the best of the best, the channeler(s) who most often get it right? If this has a chance of hurting anyone's feelings, either PM or just don't answer.
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To get started you might try the role test at the MT site. At the very least it could give you a ballpark figure, so to speak.
http://www.michaelteachings.com/personality_role.html
We don't promote the services of individual channels here since it violates the forum guidelines -- this is a non-commercial forum -- but there's a resource page for channels at the MT site.
Best,
Dave
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Thanks, Dave. I did go through the groupings and from that and from reading other info, narrowed my Role to likely Sage or Scholar. I know a typical Sage and Scholar in real life and both are full-blown examples. The Scholar would likely laugh at the thought that I'm a Scholar as would the Sage at my being a Sage. Whatever I am, it's a more low-key version than what the websites and the book I'm reading say about the Roles, though the thought that I'm any other role just doesn't make sense.
I was going to ask you if I could ask any channelers if they could PM me if they'd be available to give me a reading within a week, since I'd like to get going on this. Would that be against the forum rules? If so, I did see the page that lists channelers and I'll start contacting them. Maybe I have Impatience as a Chief Feature. ;)
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Hi Drury,
If you know anything about astrology, it's kind of similar in that your role is like your sun sign, and the other overleaves, like the other planet placements develop a theme or a signature unique to you.
In figuring it out I think it's best to think about it for a while.
Read and re-read the material and see what really fits and feels normal.
I believe I'm a Scholar for the same reasons you stated.
I do like to communicate when I can be helpful, which I think is a Server influence...likewise I think you can best identify the ingredients of your make-up if you take the time to really take inventory and notice your tendencies, habits, likes/dislikes, pacing, etc. I believe it's an ongoing process, self-awareness, so just develop some patience, and it will eventually pay off.
Let me know what you think. I'm interested.
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Drury,
Regarding channels, try reading some of the articles and channeled transcripts at the MT site, and also peruse the channels listed on the resource page. If one has a style that resonates with you, give him/her a try. I'd be leery of personal plugs because you're getting bias that may or may not serve you. And channel shopping, where you have multiple channels doing your chart, or you jump from one to the next, can lead to mixed results.
Once you get your chart done you need to live with it for a while and see if you can personally validate the results. This requires some soul searching, patience, and probably further research. ;D
If you're still uncertain after all of that, contact me privately with further questions and I'll try to help.
Best,
Dave
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Helenread, it took me 3 years and 9-10 books to find out my Myers-Briggs type, and it’s still a little shaky. aargh! I know this will go at least a little faster, if for no other reason than I can have a channeler help me.
I think deep inside I feel more like a Sage, but I don't really fit a lot of what the info says about Sages. I am very expressive in real life and I *live* for insights, but I don't like to be the center of attention and don't tell stories very often. Even though I'm older, I still bounce around and get excited a lot - I also live for fun and excitement - and I don't know if that equates to Sage or is entirely separate from Michael Teachings. Are Scholars ever like that, I wonder? I'm female, but don't usually know how to talk to females, and I'm an absolutely whiz at one-on-ones with males - they think I'm fascinating. This isn't bragging but trying to figure out the Sage thingy, since I'm a Sage one-on-one but not much in groups - I wonder if that counts? Edit to add: I love large groups, I'm just better at one-on-one. I'm definitely not a Server, though. To confuse things, I also like to help people and do so mainly with logic. I'd be a great philosopher if they hung out shingles the way psychologists do.
"Just develop some patience..." Give me a few lifetimes and I likely will. :D Thanks for your comments!
Dave, this site is so extensive that I haven't seen the channeled transcripts yet, but will head over there. I did find an article that discussed using multiple channels and why the first one has the best chance of being correct, and I hear what you're saying about the biases. Once I have a report, or maybe a couple, from channelers, if it doesn't make sense I’ll contact you. Thanks for the offer. :)
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Agree with John about the influence of overleaves... I felt pretty 'priesty' at times before (and after) I got my chart channeled, but it's because I'm at a soul level that corresponds with priest and am in passion mode, arrogance, and am emotionally centered. Also felt a bit sage-y because I have a mercurial body type. ;) Once you get a chart it's fun figuring out where all your intuitions are coming from, "that explains that... ah haaa!".
I personally was going between king and artisan before I got a chart done, and turns out I am a king role with a discarnate artisan essence twin. So you could be pretty on track with yourself too. But you never know. :)
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I don't know why I keep saying in posts, AT the MT site, since this IS the MT site. But I guess this forum feels like a different place. ;)
Dave
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This was also helpful for me in narrowing down (during the time spent in suspense while waiting for my chart!):
http://www.michaelteachings.com/annotated_chart.htm
I picked a couple 'possibles' from each category, and actually wasn't too far off in the end.
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I remember that, Elisabeth. It was cool that the personality test was so accurate for you. Mileage may very for others, but it's a good tool to get a general idea of where your energetic leanings are.
Best,
Dave
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Elizabeth, that's a great chart - thanks! I'm going through it now, and so far I seem to be a little toward Scholar. But then again, with other parts of the site I seem more Sage. I see what you mean, about thinking you're a certain Role because other aspects of your chart give that feeling. Still, when I look throughout my life as a whole, I don't see much of Artisan, Server, Warrior, King or Priest. Priest was in the running for a little while, since spirituality has been such an important part of the way I look at situations, but I don't have the charisma or drive to change things that a Priest has. I might get upset about what people are doing to each other, to pets, to the environment, but I just lay down until the feeling passes, like some people do when they consider exercising. ;D I tend to like to help people as I come across them by helping them straighten out their thinking so they can see their problems more clearly. Okay, I think I got sidetracked. ::) I'm going back to look at the chart.
Dave, it's not the "AT" that confuses me but the "MT," as in, no, he's talking about this site, not a mountain. ;)
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I contacted a channeler and he said it would be days to weeks before I get my chart. In the meantime, my SO and I tried to figure out my strongest gifts and came up with the following:
Ability to enjoy life in that even the smallest things can frequently make me happy. It almost seems to be a little part of my mission to help people see that life isn't all drudgery and that we all need to take time to have fun and play.
I'm strong in common-sense logic and can usually see the point where logic has failed.
Two psychologists told me I'm gifted at spotting people's games.
I enjoy going deeply into who people are, their deepest fears to their this life or beyond dreams. I can at times help them via logic to sort out their issues, and I love getting people to talk about their dreams. I’m not always good at putting people at ease, and having a choice between visionary and healer archetypes, I’m more a visionary, though that’s not a major strength.
Putting all that together... It’s kind of a mish-mash. :D I realized today that I know the *way* I do things, such as random/spontaneous according to Energy Profiling, but it’s harder to sort out *what* I’m good it, which is what Roles are about. I also realized that I prefer being a Sage but am better at being a Scholar, maybe because Scholar has been my main gift all along and maybe because I’ve been pushed into a Scholar-type role for much of my life so I’ve been strengthening my secondary and haven’t had as much practice at my primary role. This has been a years-long issue of mine, trying to sort out which of those two parts of me are more at the heart of who I am, so maybe I’ll learn the answer through MT.
Reading through some of the posts at this forum, I can see I have a lot of studying to do before I can understand and join conversations intelligently. I thought Enneagrams were complex, but MT is much more so! I’m an Enneagram 7w6, possibly sx/so, if that means anything to anyone. So I might do some posts anyway or might wait until I’ve read some more about the MT and have received my chart.
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For a real wild guess: Priest.
The word "mission" is a clue. Priests (and Servers) have a mission. Scholars get involved with things. Warriors are productive and efficient. There are a couple of other characteristic words that apply to other roles, but I've forgotten them. (Sigh.)
HTH
John Roth
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Priest has been one of the possibilities, and it's true that after my life fell apart through sickness I've been trying to find an all-consuming mission to "solve" my life, but I haven't been able to find one, maybe because I want to help in so many areas that I'm pulled in too many directions and don't know which is "mine," and sometimes Earth’s problems seem overwhelming. Is my mission to help people, pets, wild animals, plants? I have great ideas about how to "save" the world and if I was appointed dictator I’d have it straightened up in no time, lol. It is upsetting and irritating to me that people don't like to look at the truth of what they do (and I'm not exempting myself) and allow themselves to be run by superstition and those with power and money, and one of my main life lessons seems to be to learn more compassion rather than withdraw from people who aren’t alternative because their values are so different than mine. Unless, of course, they specifically need me, and then I jump right in to help. But when it comes right down to it, I tend to back off from confrontations and don't sound much at all like a Priest in the book 7 Personality Types. On the other hand, I just looked again at the personality test on this site and can see why you’d bring it up. hmmm... I’m not sure what to think. I am very sensitive to not “crusading” and pushing people where they don’t want to go. So, okay, I can see Priest as a possibility if it’s according to this site, but not the high-powered individual in Elizabeth Puttick’s book who frequently can’t have friends but followers instead, and who desert their families because they’re always crusading - that doesn’t sound like me at all, and I’m not a leader in the least, more a loner who loves to hang out with people who are like me - open-minded, alternative or fun-loving works for me. Plus, I move on when things get tough, and one of my main life lessons has obviously been to break me of that. ::) Okay, this sounds garbled, but I wanted to think it through. Thanks for bringing it up, John - your thoughts were very interesting.
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Have you tried the role photos page? See if you can find where you fit.
http://www.michaelteachings.com/overleaves_database.html
Best,
Dave
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Judging by the pictures, I'd maybe be Sage or Priest. I tried to figure out PM to send you a picture of me to see if you have an idea, but I couldn't figure out how it works. ::)
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I found the following about Sages:
"A big part of the role of Sages is to teach the world how to have fun, so they are usually the ones who like to get a party going. Because of their playful nature, Sages often seem younger than they are or seem to never grow up. Peter Pan is a good example of an immature Sage. More mature Sages love to teach and share their wisdom.... Their brains are connected to their mouth and their purpose in life is to communicate whatever they know. They can do this with or without all the facts at hand."
http://www.itstime.com/sep99.htm
That could also be me since though I am looking for a life mission, I tend to let the world go by and just do my small part by trying to help whoever I'm with. I do believe I'm Cardinal, though I don't seem as dynamic as the three Cardinals. At this point I spend much of my life studying, but I've pretty much ruled out Scholar since I don't look much like one, plus I likely engage too much with life to be a Scholar as my primary Role. So now Priest and Sage are in the running. I hope I don't go through all the Roles this way before I get my chart. :D If anyone is good at looking at eyes/faces and understanding a person's Role, let me know and I can try to PM or e-mail my picture to you.
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Drury, I'd love to give it a shot -- I'm married to a Priest with Sage casting, so maybe my eye will be able to detect something!
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I just read the guidelines, and I'm not allowed to ask you to contact me! Dave, how can we communicate off-board? I can't figure out how to PM anyone.
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Thanks, Chiara! I just sent it, called "Drury from MT," and the forum was down for a bit, thus my P.S. at the bottom of the e-mail. Any comments you have, you can post them here or e-mail them back. I'm very curious!
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Drury, the second I looked at you, your pictures screamed PRIEST! My husband guessed the same thing too, and he didn't know it was one of the choices you had narrowed down to.
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Wow, really?? So they don't say Sage at all? That's interesting - thanks very much!! :D
I sent a brief "Addition" via e-mail, not realizing you'd already posted.
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I didn't see anything Sage-y, but I did see massive Priest energy :) You're welcome, it was a pleasure!
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Dave, how can we communicate off-board? I can't figure out how to PM anyone.
My PMs work fine, but I have the forum set-up for all the suggested spam settings, so maybe something is canceling another thing out. I'll check the admin panel and see what's going on.
And if you post email addresses directly to the forum you're running a security risk. I had someone hack my gmail account just a month or two back. They spammed all of my friends. It was a nightmare. It's all made me more paranoid of revealing any kind of personal info.
Best,
Dave
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I sent you an email Drury, and you can send me a photo there, if you'd like.
Best,
Dave
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Dave, I just sent pics - thank you!
When I try looking at other people's Profiles, searching for a way to PM, I get the message "Many apologies, but you can't view just any profile" with all Profiles. Maybe that shouldn't be happening? Or maybe I'm a Young Soul and need to wait a few lifetimes? ha ha! Just kidding. :D I'll look around some more and see if I can find PMing.
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I'm getting the same message as Drury!
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Ok, I'll take a look at the settings. I've been worried about spammers, so I think I had everything set to the max. But I'll see what I can do.
Best,
Dave
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Chiara, if you see this, I sent you another e-mail. :D
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I concur with Priest. There could also be some Sage in the mix, perhaps in the ET or casting. Then again, if the order was reversed, I wouldn't be surprised. And if we are completely wrong, I wouldn't be surprised either. Some people are stereotypical and easy to read, while others totally throw you for a loop and lead to bad guesses. Of course I'm an expert at bad guesses, having only made about 80,000 of them. ;)
Btw, I moved this topic to the Roles category (the more appropriate location), and then worried that nobody would find it, so when you get here just give me a couple whacks on the head for making you search around. You had nothing better to do, right? ;-)
Best,
Dave
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I e-mailed you back, but thanks for looking at my pictures. I agree, Priest or Sage seem to be the best guesses for now. :)
I was heading into a mild panic, wondering where my thread went, and my SO calmly said, "It was probably moved." Good thing I'm married to someone with a less excitable Role. ;D This is a better place for it, which I realized after I started the thread.
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I e-mailed you back, but thanks for looking at my pictures. I agree, Priest or Sage seem to be the best guesses for now. :)
I was heading into a mild panic, wondering where my thread went, and my SO calmly said, "It was probably moved." Good thing I'm married to someone with a less excitable Role. ;D This is a better place for it, which I realized after I started the thread.
I've been moderating a Michael discussion list for around a decade now, but I've had little experience with forum software, so I'm just now getting acquainted with some of the features you guys have mentioned. Actually, I'm still at the point where when I push a button here I think I'm going to break something. Thanks in advance to everyone for their patience.
Best,
Dave
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Someone made me a forum mod once without asking me and I was like eeek!, there's no way I'm going behind the scenes and maybe bring down the site and possibly the entire Internet with it. :D
I dreamed about Roles much of the night, with no definitive answer that I can remember, but I did realize that if I'm a Priest, my mission in life has been somewhat Sage-y in character.
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I don't want to start a thread just for this question, so I'll post it here and hope someone sees it. Is there a Michael book, or even two or three of them combined, that covers everything that's on this website? I'd like a book or two to read to help with my understanding of the following: Roles, Goals, Modes, Attitudes, Centers, Chief Features, Needs, Motivation, Global Job, Community Job, Body Type, Soul Age, Grand Cycles, Cadre, Entity, Cadence, Casting, Male/Female energy ratio, Frequency, Essence Twin, Life Task, and anything I left out that has to do with categorizing and hopefully understanding myself and others better.
Edit: I just realized there's a section called Michael Books at the bottom of the forum. If you want to move this question, Dave, go ahead and I'll check for it there.
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None of the current books cover everything on your list. But try the book page at the site:
http://www.michaelteachings.com/books.html
Best,
Dave
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Thanks, Dave and Chiara (from another thread)! I now have Messages From Michael and The Michael Handbook on the way, as a start. Once I finish those, I'll likely get Shepherd Hoodwin's The Journey of Your Soul.