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Cycles, Ages & Levels
« on: April 18, 2011, 06:55:33 AM »
OK, I'll start this one off ("Mr. Michael Math" where are you?);{>

So, according to the Teachings, there are 5 Soul Ages in which we are incarnate on the physical: Baby, Infant, Young, Mature and Old.  Each of these has 7 levels.  "Average/usual/mean/minimal" number of lifetimes to accomplish each level seems to, supposedly/optimally, be about 5 (anybody feel free to jump in here and correct me - I'm just running with what The Michael has given/is giving me here).  Therefore, as far I have been led to believe, 175 lives per cycle would be nominal.

I am told that a entire Cycle has (rarely) been accomplished in a minimum of 70 lifetimes, but that most Cycles number in the hundreds of incarnations.  I, personally, am in lifetime number 454 of 3 chronoconsecutive Cycles at 7th Level Mature, herenow, thiswhen.

"Grand Cycles" are something else, about which I am often confused. (OT: But with, I believe, good reason. See my blog if curious.)

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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2011, 12:52:47 PM »
OK, I'll start this one off ("Mr. Michael Math" where are you?);{>

So, according to the Teachings, there are 5 Soul Ages in which we are incarnate on the physical: Baby, Infant, Young, Mature and Old.  Each of these has 7 levels.  "Average/usual/mean/minimal" number of lifetimes to accomplish each level seems to, supposedly/optimally, be about 5 (anybody feel free to jump in here and correct me - I'm just running with what The Michael has given/is giving me here).  Therefore, as far I have been led to believe, 175 lives per cycle would be nominal.

I am told that a entire Cycle has (rarely) been accomplished in a minimum of 70 lifetimes, but that most Cycles number in the hundreds of incarnations.  I, personally, am in lifetime number 454 of 3 chronoconsecutive Cycles at 7th Level Mature, herenow, thiswhen.

"Grand Cycles" are something else, about which I am often confused. (OT: But with, I believe, good reason. See my blog if curious.)

How many lifetimes an Essence takes is highly individual. However, as a rule of thumb the more "solid" the Essence, that is, the lower the Essence's frequency, the more lifetimes they take.

I've always thought that the math around this particular point doesn't make sense, since if there are Role-related differences (which there do seem to be) then the distribution of Roles on the astral should be different from the ones on the Physical.

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Re: Cycles, Ages & Levels
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2011, 04:38:47 PM »
I absolutely agree that number of lifetimes is individual.  There are SO many factors that Essence would need to consider for ANY single incarnation, that the concept I termed "nominal" seems to have been alluded to in MFM either MMFM ("Messages From Michael", & "More Messages From Michael" respectively, the first two Michael books, for those unfamiliar with long term student's shorthand) as maybe an attempt by The Michael to give the original group some enumerated conceptual framework.  I do seem to remember the figure of '5 lifetimes' to complete a Level, Soul Age notwithstanding, being offered as a 'rule of thumb' or 'average' rubric during that time (please correct me if I'm wrong, anyone).

And your point about the math being elusive is well taken.  Not only because of Role differences, which must be crucial, but also pertinent to any specific fragment, if there are concurrent incarnations of said fragment on several separate Levels and/or Ages, in either the same timeline or parallel analogs, moving at faster or slower paces than each other.  Makes my head hurt just attempting to imagine the probability vector calculations Essence might make in choosing each and every life.  Maybe they have longstanding formulae or astral algorithms they use, eh?

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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2011, 11:20:47 PM »
I absolutely agree that number of lifetimes is individual.  There are SO many factors that Essence would need to consider for ANY single incarnation, that the concept I termed "nominal" seems to have been alluded to in MFM either MMFM ("Messages From Michael", & "More Messages From Michael" respectively, the first two Michael books, for those unfamiliar with long term student's shorthand) as maybe an attempt by The Michael to give the original group some enumerated conceptual framework.  I do seem to remember the figure of '5 lifetimes' to complete a Level, Soul Age notwithstanding, being offered as a 'rule of thumb' or 'average' rubric during that time (please correct me if I'm wrong, anyone).

And your point about the math being elusive is well taken.  Not only because of Role differences, which must be crucial, but also pertinent to any specific fragment, if there are concurrent incarnations of said fragment on several separate Levels and/or Ages, in either the same timeline or parallel analogs, moving at faster or slower paces than each other.  Makes my head hurt just attempting to imagine the probability vector calculations Essence might make in choosing each and every life.  Maybe they have longstanding formulae or astral algorithms they use, eh?

According to Michael Newton (not our Michael), there are specialists to help with the intricacies of setting up a lifetime.

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Re: Cycles, Ages & Levels
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2011, 12:55:10 PM »
WOW!  Astral Incarnation CPAs  .  .  .  or maybe more like Soul Age College Guidance Counselors  .  .  .  yeah, that's the ticket!  Did he say if those specialists were predominantly of any particular Role?  (like - Scholars would make sense, right?) or if they were at any common Level in either of the two non-corporeal Soul Ages?  Always curious [damn Sages in Growth, always wanting to stuff their mental gullets with 'grindage' (Pauly Shore)]

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2011, 02:26:28 PM »
WOW!  Astral Incarnation CPAs  .  .  .  or maybe more like Soul Age College Guidance Counselors  .  .  .  yeah, that's the ticket!  Did he say if those specialists were predominantly of any particular Role?  (like - Scholars would make sense, right?) or if they were at any common Level in either of the two non-corporeal Soul Ages?  Always curious [damn Sages in Growth, always wanting to stuff their mental gullets with 'grindage' (Pauly Shore)]

At a certain point in your evolution, you decide what you want to specialize in. Most learn how to be guides, but some specialize in other things. Setting up lifetimes is one, exploring new planets to find pre-sentient species that would provide good hosts is another. I think he mentioned one more that I've forgotten, and there are probably others.

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Re: Cycles, Ages & Levels
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2011, 02:15:18 AM »
Johndalf, you say "I, personally, am in lifetime number 454 of 3 chronoconsecutive Cycles at 7th Level Mature, herenow, thiswhen."

I'm not sure what you mean.  Do you mean that in this cycle you are in life 454, or do you mean that in 3 cycles, you are in life 454?  Or do you mean something entirely different?

I guess it would help if I asked what chronoconsecutive cycles are   :)   



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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2011, 02:51:28 PM »
At a certain point in your evolution, you decide what you want to specialize in. Most learn how to be guides, but some specialize in other things. Setting up lifetimes is one, exploring new planets to find pre-sentient species that would provide good hosts is another. I think he mentioned one more that I've forgotten, and there are probably others.
John, can you share where this can be read? Is it a book?

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2011, 01:50:23 AM »
At a certain point in your evolution, you decide what you want to specialize in. Most learn how to be guides, but some specialize in other things. Setting up lifetimes is one, exploring new planets to find pre-sentient species that would provide good hosts is another. I think he mentioned one more that I've forgotten, and there are probably others.
John, can you share where this can be read? Is it a book?

This is from one of the later Michael Newton books, probably book # 2. Michael Newton is the guy who pioneered between lives regressions.

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Re: Cycles, Ages & Levels
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2011, 10:33:34 PM »
Hey Betty,

Sorry for the delay, read my post in Astrology for the embarrassing details.

To answer your question:  this is life 454, all 3 cycles counted together, one after the other (chrono - time, consecutive - one after the other). Bear with the old hippie, dear, some of these concepts are NOT in your Funk & Wagnall's, mainly because some bad guy aliens (I believe) have manipulated human history to better keep mankind ignorant of the implications of things like re-incarnation, thereby more effectively to control and use us for their own ends and purposes.  I have an amazing gift for Neologisms, the creation of new words in English to better describe concepts that are evolving along with our understanding, I while I try not to abuse it to the point of deliberately creating abstruse and/or confusing terminology, it throws some people.

Any word I create, is constructed of familiar and longstanding English language phonemes (units of sound) and memes (units of meaning). "Chronoconsecutive" is just such a Neologism. "Cronoconcurrent" is also, but it means: lives lived within the same, or chronologically contiguous timelines. (I'm using the "2nd" dictionary meaning of "contiguous" here: "at the same time") not as common as chronoconsecutive but, given the ability of adjacent timelines to run faster or slower than each other, based upon the nature and velocity of the "branching events" that created the divergence in the original timeline, always a possibility.  Not to be confused with a "parallel incidence of essence-fragment incarnation" or "you'analog", which is just another one of you on another universe 'traintrack'.